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mynd_xero t1_iuv7okr wrote

Reply to comment by Bakoro in Google’s ‘Democratic AI’ Is Better at Redistributing Wealth Than America by Mynameis__--__

Yeah and we all know how well FORCED diversity is going. Minorities are a minority because they are the smaller group. Nothing one way or the other people stating that fact. But that;s another rant for another subreddit.

I'm simply saying that a system that identifies and reacts to patterns is going to form a bias because that's why bias is, doesn't make it inherently evil, right or wrong, just IS.

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Bakoro t1_iuvh7qo wrote

You can't ignore institutional racism by using AI.
The AI just becomes part of institutional racism.

The AI can only reflect back on the data it's trained on and the data is often twisted. You can claim "it's just a tool" all you want, it's not magically immune to being functionally wrong in the way all systems and tools can become wrong.

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mynd_xero t1_iuvjupw wrote

>institutional racism

Lost me here, this isn't a real thing.

No interest in going on this tangent further, nor was it my desire to laser focus on one thing that is moot to my general argument that anything capable of identifying repeating data ie. patterns, and has the capacity to react/adapt/interact/etc is going to formulate a bias, that nothing capable of learning, is capable of being unbias and finally that bias itself isn't good or bad it just IS.

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Bakoro t1_iuvqpgc wrote

Institutional racism is an indisputable historical fact. What you have demonstrated is not just willful ignorance, but outright denial of reality.

Your point is wrong, because you cannot ignore the context the tool is used in.
The data the AI is processing does not magically appear, the data itself is biased and created in an evrionment with biases.

The horse shit you are trying to push is like the assholes who look at areas where being black is a de facto crime, and then point to crime statistics as evidence against blacks. That is harmful.

You are simply wrong at a fundamental level.

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justowen4 t1_iuw9c84 wrote

Perhaps your point could be further articulated by the idea that we are not maximizing economic capacity by using historical data directly, we need an AI that can factor bias into the equation. In other words institutional racism is bad for predictive power because it will assume certain groups are simply unproductive, so we need an AI smart enough to recognize the dynamics of historical opportunity levels and virtuous cycles. I’m pretty sure this would not be hard for a decent AI to grasp. Interestingly these AIs give tax breaks for the ultra wealthy which I am personally opposed to but even with all the dynamics factored into maximum productivity the truth might be that rich people are better at productivity.. (I’m poor btw)

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freudianSLAP t1_iuvq9kt wrote

Just curious this thing called "institutional racism" that doesn't exist as you said (paraphrasing). How would you define this phenomenon that you don't believe matches reality?

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TistedLogic t1_iuvr439 wrote

What makes you think institutional racism isn't a real thing?

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