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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivdeg8p wrote

Reply to comment by Glitched-Lies in Nick Bostrom on the ethics of Digital Minds: "With recent advances in AI... it is remarkable how neglected this issue still is" by Smoke-away

And a heavier than air plane will never fly. After all, how can it flap the wings fast enough?

What knowledge, exactly, are you claiming, that lets you be so certain of this?

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivdenel wrote

Because a simulation cannot be conscious, otherwise it becomes semantics.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivdgp2y wrote

So, there is no compelling reason that consciousness cannot exist within a digital system?

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[deleted] t1_ivdql2g wrote

How can you objectively prove that you are consciousness? Spoilers you cant.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivgv15d wrote

I can't, yet. I do not think that you have sufficient evidence to claim that it cannot be done, merely that we do not yet know a way to do so.

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[deleted] t1_ivh1tcu wrote

Do you believe that everything will eventually be explained ?

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivh6xuq wrote

Will? The prior on that is not sufficient to rise to the level that I would call belief.

Can? Yes.

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivdyvz2 wrote

That doesn't matter. Because for fact humans are, so it doesn't need "proving". Because that's just simply a fact.

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivdi4ub wrote

It would be "settling" ethics at an incomplete place. As by the very nature of what it would mean by a computer simulating a consciousness and relative wording about computations or the math. But by very nature the differences are that itself. An identical system wouldn't be a computer. It should be obvious from cause and effect it scientifically begins from this fundamental difference.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivgux9p wrote

I did not say "simulating". I said consciousness and exist.

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivgvna4 wrote

Digital systems can only simulate.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivh6vbf wrote

That is a claim. What is the evidence for that claim?

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivhae93 wrote

That's what simulation means

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivhbln5 wrote

You are the one who keeps insisting that everything on a digital system is a simulation.

I keep asking how do you know everything on a digital system is a simulation?

Can you please answer my question, instead of reiterating your claim?

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