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AdditionalPizza t1_iw2fgzl wrote

Reply to comment by Concheria in DeviantArt AI Update: Now Artists Will Be "Opted Out" For AI Datasets by LittleTimmyTheFifth5

Honestly it sounds like they're just trying to appease artists with what the artists think they want, while in reality it does nothing. Deviant Art definitely knows this. Deviant Art certainly knows AI art creation will outpace handmade work by a longshot, and they want a piece of the web traffic pie.

Go and try and explain how AI art works to all of these artists complaining and they will insist it's stealing their copywritten work and using it to generate images. They just don't understand the fundamental basics of how training works and that it doesn't store copies of their images to reuse elements of it. So might as well make them think they won a battle while AI training will just continue on.

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Concheria t1_iw3qkv4 wrote

I agree, it's the most frustrating thing in the world. I was thinking DeviantArt messed up not explaining why this feature needed to be opt-in and not opt-out, but honestly there aren't enough words to explain to a person screaming until their face is red about stealing what a meta-tag is and how data scrapping works, much less how these image generators work.

What better way to appease someone who purposefully doesn't want to understand anything about computers than to put in a button and a toggle that says what they want it to say?

Honestly, DeviantArt shouldn't have touched this AI thing at all. All they had to do was quietly make an AI topic so that these pictures could have their own space, and that's it. Adding DreamUp was completely unnecessary because it's not even a very high quality implementation. They should have shut up about meta-tags and copyright or whatever because anything they could have said would have made these people extremely mad.

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AdditionalPizza t1_iw3rj7k wrote

Yeah, if they just didn't say anything they could have placed the blame on the crawlers "doing all the stealing" and nobody would really blame them.

But I think they're hoping they can get a tuned model that outperforms the others. Not sure how that will play out.

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uishax t1_iw3uie0 wrote

Well, the main problem is, their current model is crap, it just looks like a standard SD implementation, which is 3 months late to the party.

This market is insanely crowded, to stand out, you need a model that blows people's minds, even if it is for a narrow style. Midjourney v3 had that unique painting style, and v4 is just the strongest in general. NovelAI specialised on anime, which worked exceptionally well.

They needed to come out of the gates swinging, so that there's a ton of fans loving the feature, who will support deviantart. Instead, all the AI art enthusiasts, just tried it twice, said meh, and left. While the existing artists seethe at Deviantart for this big middle-finger.

I think this is pretty much the nail in the coffin for deviantart, it'll go the way of tumblr very soon, utterly incompetent execution.

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Concheria t1_iw44don wrote

Honestly, my take is that DeviantArt knows how irrelevant they're being and are jumping into the AI art bandwagon, if somewhat half-assedly. "Real" artists are simply abandoning the site because it got gradually replaced by social media a while ago.

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