Collapse is mainly just doomer nonsense. Buncha miserable depressed people just sitting around waiting to die.

I tend to think of it as a race.

We're racing towards both solarpunk and collapse, currently.

If we can attain the technology, and social conscience in time, Solar Punk will win. If not, we'll collapse under the weight of 9 Billion people consuming resources like locusts.

It's unclear how it will ultimately resolve, and we'll probably see bits and pieces of both in the coming years.

r/singularity is it own-kind of utopian techo religious group where everyone try to convince each other how early Jesus ASI comes.

I wish there was more introspection on reddit about what forms bias can take.

I think we need to try different things at the same time, and being skeptical is one of things we should do. AI and technology advance is rolling boulder we can't stop, but we can collaboratively nudge it in right direction. Or multiple directions until one proves better than other.

Solarpunk comes after The Collapse, that's what makes it punk

I'm suspicious of any group or ideology that seems too certain about what the future holds. The more I learn, the less confident I feel about my ability to predict what's coming.

It's fun to speculate though. Humans need to dream.

Day in and day out my reddit new feed is flooded with "we're missing emissions targets, the world is burning and civilization will collapse within the next few decades" articles. Supposing that were true, there is one way I can think of that would definitely avoid that eventuality, and that's reducing the human carbon footprint by several orders of magnitude by stopping producing everything we make out of physical matter if it can fulfill its purpose equally well as a hologram. It costs next to nothing to copy a hologram and creates next to no emissions. But to make a copy of something made out of matter costs a lot, and creates substantially higher emissions. Manufacturing is just one aspect of this extended reality transformations benefits to humanity and earth in this "era of crisis". Transportation emissions will also be drastically reduced once the entire surface of the planet is being photogrammetrized in realtime by satellite, allowing for realtime holographic telepresence, which will be a vastly cheaper than and virtually indistinguishable experience from conventional travel. Fully realized metaverse technology is still decades down the line, and tech companies aren't saying the quiet part out loud at this juncture, but they are developing superintelligence for the purpose of making Earth a much more energy efficient system. This will be downvoted because people don't like to think outside of their comfort zone. But if you're a person who thinks both about the current human condition, with reference to our crises and progress developing superintelligence, you know this is the road map.

Day in and day out my reddit new feed is flooded with "we're missing emissions targets, the world is burning and civilization will collapse within the next few decades" articles. Supposing that were true, there is one way I can think of that would definitely avoid that eventuality, and that's reducing the human carbon footprint by several orders of magnitude by stopping producing everything we make out of physical matter if it can fulfill its purpose equally well as a hologram. It costs next to nothing to copy a hologram and creates next to no emissions. But to make a copy of something made out of matter costs a lot, and creates substantially higher emissions. Manufacturing is just one aspect of this extended reality transformations benefits to humanity and earth in this "era of crisis". Transportation emissions will also be drastically reduced once the entire surface of the planet is being photogrammetrized in realtime by satellite, allowing for realtime holographic telepresence, which will be a vastly cheaper than and virtually indistinguishable experience from conventional travel. Fully realized metaverse technology is still decades down the line, and tech companies aren't saying the quiet part out loud at this juncture, but they are developing superintelligence for the purpose of making Earth a much more energy efficient system. This will be downvoted because people don't like to think outside of their comfort zone. But if you're a person who thinks both about the current human condition, with reference to our crises and progress developing superintelligence, you know this is the road map.

I used to lurk on collapse but I was getting too depressed. There was a common saying there. "once you've seen it, you can't unsee it". Basically means once you've seen the reasoning behind collapse, you can't really unsee it. It makes sense and is actually very unsettling. But, like this sub, they have tunnel vision. They aren't aware of all of the things that COULD happen that could save us from collapse. Things such as material science, AI for more food production and better health care, fusion to replace fossil fuels, all of that seems to be outside their awareness. I still think we are walking on a knifes edge towards another dark age, or maybe a 1984 scenario, but if we play our cards right, we can make it through this. If I were to choose a scenario I think is most likely to happen, I think its collapse though. We are rapidly approaching a point where we see peak oil, coal, construction sand, lithium, etc, meaning that if we don't fix our problems before we reach that point and we do collapse, humanity will never be able to reach the singularity after that since once we do rebuild after the collapse, there will be no more precious metals or energy to allow us to rebuild what we once had. We are literally using up our one chance at being a space faring, techno society, and it might never come again.

I struggle with people in denial. Snorting hopium for breakfast lunch and dinner they and (more likely) their ego's don't seem to be able to cope with cold facts, cannot entertain holistic wide view analysis, and rational thinking goes out the window in favour of if's/but's and dreams. I expect more people will come around slowly as the world regresses more and more each day. A disaster here, a collapse there, say goodbye to ol' reliable: global supply chain.

I'd argue that /r/collapse is more realistic and the others are more optimistic. Not saying one sub is better than the other. But collapse doesn't sugar coat or greenwash as much.