I still disagree. Let's come back to this post in 2029.

I have no opinion about VR, but this video is about Meta, not the technology in principle. We don't know what other implementations will come later in the decade.

As someone who as worked on the first VR headsets….I agree that Meta made a really bad choice, when there are already so many headsets out there.

Also the second life style gimmick only works for a bit.

What really has to happen is more immersive and in-place running.

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Not really interested in this, full dive or gtfo.

Meta has that infinity ♾logo for a reason. It means immortality. Yes, Ik it’s temporary immortality. I explained this to my friends and they think likewise or say something along the lines of eternal life and never ending sequences. The digital realities that any AI companies make will dilute our characteristics and give us the freedom to alter them to the way we choose. This amount of freedom opens up portals of “hell” and “heaven” into your multiverse experiences subject to the observers views of reality. Mark has said in multiple interviews and podcast already that in “5-15 years”, the metaverse will include the last senses we need to basically replace natural lucid dreaming.

This might be useful for online office work, if the headset could be reduced to a pair of ordinary glasses. So instead of workers moving to an expensive city for work, they could live where its cheap and work anywhere on the planet. Otherwise I'm not interested.

"Not really interested in a computer. Quantum or gtfo"

Pretty zero there are now a total of zero people in the world waiting for a quantum computer before they are interested in a PC.

It always goes down the same. People reverse their opinion as tech matures.

Quest Pro is a troubled product in the sense that it was delayed and redesigned due to a myriad of reasons that threw a spanner into the works.

We're still in the early 2020s, and if you've seen Meta's R&D, you'll know that it is far beyond this. If they can execute on their R&D well enough without fumbling, then it will likely flourish in the late 2020s and early 2030s.

The optimism in this sub is near Jetsons level.

I've worked in some very fringe fields such as brain computer interfacing, graphene/CNT, and ai for a little over a decade. Some of the ideas and notions put forward in this sub are beyond ridiculous.

The main issue is people here base their views on venture capital seeking tech evangelists and confuse research publications for advancements in science and technology. 99% of all the research papers posted in this sub end up on shelves as soon as the student graduates/gets their phd. Less than 1% contributes to pushing the boundaries.

How does this video relate to "standalone VR/AR/MR will flourish and popularize in the 2020s"?

Hm working rn in company, while dicussing with cto and recruitment manager I knew that recruitment rates increased almost twice over this year for AR/VR. Unfortunately thats true, most of papers wont be push further, nontheless I dont think everything wont change by 2030

Apple will be the catalyst to popularize it.

It doesn't.

You don’t know shit lmfao

That depends mainly on battery technology, and not the VR/AR technology and computing power in itself.AR-glasses also aren''t so lightweight yet that they are viable as everyday glasses.

Technologically, we're inches away from producing AR glasses that are relatively lightweight and have the processing power to be a great complement to the phone, since they don't have to produce full-scale realistic graphics.
But battery technology is a problem since it would suck to have them maximum twice the weight of a pair of reading glasses, but having to charge them every hour.

Full dive virtual reality might not be created until the 2030's, but that's still soon.

ive seen other videos about the meta quest pro that say the same thing. that it’s really buggy and hard to use.

tbf we already have a better vr mmo than Horizon Worlds (VRChat!)

I'm not even writing about Full Dive, I mean something that's actually decent and practical.

Please define "decent" and "practical".

Not the same. What would the advantages of quantum computing over classical computing be for most people? The adventages of full dive over VR less than that are clear.

And movies with headset

i owned a quest 2, i used it once a week. i got the pro, i use it every day.

... they didnt try porn lol. also I find i end up watching a movie half the time afterwards. and i use immersed to work in as well about half the time when I am programming.'

the pro is way better because it loads faster. it's like 10 seconds vs 90 seconds. huge freaking difference. also it remembers gameplay zones way better and has way better controller tracking.

so this video should really be titled "journalists folly"

The pessimism in your posts is near doomer level.

VR/MX is already good enough for me. I can envision the next generation replacing my desktop altogether.

VRChat, a Quest Pro, airlink and a decent graphics card is incredible.

Perhaps a better example would be "I'm not really interested in videogames until they get to 10000 player battle royales with lifelike pathtraced graphics and perfect physics/collision/fluid+smoke physics."

Certainly no one thinks this way today, but some people would have thought videogames were meh back in the Atari days but came around later on.

Some people (including myself) are just not that interested in VR without it being fully immersive. Today's VR doesn't even support 2D art with 3D movements (neither does any other interactive medium at the moment, but it'll be a game changer when it finally happens).

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That's not surprising when you've spend your career wrestling with 3 letter government organizations to get human trials/research, manufacturing processes, etc approved in order to make tiny advances towards a world that over half this sub thinks will be here in less than 10 years

Dumb video, the Quest Pro is better than the Quest 2 in every way except price. The tech is still in its infancy and it's already amazing, there's still plenty of time left this decade for it to mature, and it won't be just the hardware, AI will play a massive role in improving VR during the coming years.

We’ll get great audio and visual vr by the 2030s. Full dive with tactile and smell will take something like Neuralink and take decades - barring something like the singularity. Given how slow biotech advances due to the risk and regulation, don’t see that advancing anytime soon.

That’s easy already

There's fully immersive, and then there's hyper immersive.

What you want is the PS5 equivalent of VR. A mature technology that delivers experiences people could have only dreamed of 30 years ago.

What you think you want is the PS9/PS10 equivalent of VR where it's perfect - completely perfect.

What technology was totally perfected before a fan of the concept of that tech bought in? There aren't any I can think of. There will be new people who aren't interested in VR until it's like the matrix, but that's because they don't even like the concept of VR or the matrix, but get pushed into it anyway out of necessity or because they can't help it.

If you're a fan of VR - the idea of VR, then you will find value in VR long before a full brain interface. VR is already very immersive today, and we will genuinely get to hyper realism levels of immersion in the next 10-15 years. It won't be a brain interface, but it will be at existential-crisis levels of immersion - and no fan of the concept needs any more than that to buy in.

Bro, at least give a one sentence summary if you’re gonna post your YouTube videos. I’m all for giving you the clicks, but you have to give me something to work with.

looks like you're not going to have a choice soon. What are you going to do when they stop selling smartphones and laptops?

can u link one of the zuckerberg interviews or pad casts

when do you think that will happen?

I honestly can’t remember where I heard it, Ik i’ve heard it more than once though. Ik one of them, Mark was in a youtuber interview and he said on call with the “5-15 years” that “the future comes quicker than you would expect”.

So like 30 minutes of use a day ?

No he said “ dream like “ scenario

on weekdays maybe an hour, on weekends more like 2-4 hrs a day

assuming i'm not currently playing a vr game

I am not watching your video.

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Fucking never. You can still buy a VCR in 2022 decades after the technology became obsolete.

I largely gave up on the prospect of VR and AR becoming a massive thing this decade (computing power isn't increasing the same as it used to), but that's acceptable. As long as the field gradually coasts upwards, it will be exciting to watch develop. In a decade, we'll begin seeing mixed reality infiltrate our lives and wonder "when did it happen?" as in reality there almost certainly won't be an "iPhone" for VR or AR but rather slow moves that build up over time until, by 2035 or so, AR will be fairly commonplace.

i mean for gaming its gonna be fucking sick. i don’t give a fuck abt the metaverse lmao

Just because something is outdated it doesn't mean it will just dissappear. You can still buy stuff that are discounted rather it be ebay or some where else. What will you do when your phone needs to be repaired? One example is the battery will degrade. If I keep one iPhone out of 10 iPhones and don't use the rest for 10 years the battery won't be that much better than the one that was being used in the frist year.

Smartphones and laptops aren't outdated tech and even if they were you said you would have no choice because they will stop selling them.

Completely ridiculous.

Smartphones arent outdated yet. What what are your options when they stop selling them or supporting them ?

Let's comeback to this comment in 2039 and will see who's ridiculous.

Who exactly is "they"?

You can still buy everything from floppy disks to fax machines to pagers why would those devices which are infinitely less popular and useful than smartphones or laptops be purchasable decades after they're obsolete if "they" could stop selling them.

It is a totally ridiculous claim.

They are profitable on a small scale. If Samsung decides to replace all there phones with pagers and fax machine's they would lose a lot of money.

That has nothing to do with what I asked.

What are you going to do when your obsolete tech needs repaire ?

Either take it to be repaired or buy a new version of it. Even if tech is obsolete it doesn't make it unavailable if it did things like floppy disks or pagers wouldn't exist at all.

But there is no new version of dream cast. You can only buy ones that haven't been used which is not the same. You can't take a dream cast to be repaired.

And how many dreamcasts were ever produced? Less than 10 million units. There are literally billions of laptops and smartphones there are too prolific a technology to ever go extinct. A specific model may become rare or unavailable but a smartphone or laptop will always be something you can buy.

What I was saying is that laptops are anything outdated won't suddenly dissappear but the support of those outdated tech will go away. Once that happens you don't have a practical choice in the long term. Is it possible yes that they will continue it in the long term yes, is it realistic ? no.

You are wrong then because as stated you can still buy tech that was obsolete decades ago brand new.

I'm done

So you have concluded that it is in fact not only possible but basically impossible that widespread technology like smartphones or laptops are always going to be options for people or at least they will be for the next several decades.

If people think there's going to be mass adoption of VR by the population by the end of the 2020's they're smoking crack.

Correct but it will still be a niche product

Ok

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This post is basically synonymous with a person or post about a Tesla car failing in the real world and saying EVs will never take off in the 2020's. AR/VR is already here, but by 2024 it will be a lot more here.

All it has to be to wildly spread is to be slightly superior to monitor. Nothing more.

Ok? The video is mostly focused on the work portion of the headset, and sure its not perfect now, but you can't expect it will stay this way forever. The tech will keep improving, people don't realize that with AI in the future instead of cartoony avatar you will get 98% true to reality avatars and enviroments with retina like resolution, it will be crazy real. They just need to keep working at it.

Yeah I roll my eyes every time I see a comment like his. It’s just such a fallacy, things don’t have to be perfect before people want them. Your comments are a breath of fresh air, keep it up!

Typical Verge Garbage. Overly cynical and jaded. Obviously the current metaverse software is VERY early implementations. Possibly Meta made a mistake in not more clearly labeling the Quest Pro as a "dev kit" or beta device as it relates to metaverse.

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