Submitted by Phoenix5869 t3_z6fpt6 in singularity
i wasnt around in 2002 and i dont remember much of 2012 so idk much about how technological advancement has had an impact on the average person.
Submitted by Phoenix5869 t3_z6fpt6 in singularity
i wasnt around in 2002 and i dont remember much of 2012 so idk much about how technological advancement has had an impact on the average person.
I was 11 in 2012 and comparing it to today? Feels like an entirely different world. Some things were better... some worse. Feels like the stuff you buy at the supermarket today tastes weird. I can't quite put my finger on it.
Internet changed a lot. I remember back then you were hot shit if you had a PSP or a DS. Let alone a Vita/3DS! Never saw one of those in the wild.
Anime, remember that? Haruhi Suzumiya was the thing to be in the know and these days people don't care much...
Besides, back then people wouldn't lash out for the smallest little slights like today. Although by that point internet culture was reaching the point of assimilation by Reddit, Facebook & YouTube. Gone were the days of pre-youtube monoliths like YTMND and forum culture.
I am from 2000 and I lived the internet since 2008. People are not aware of how much the internet has changed since then...
The humor has changed so much in just 10 years! In addition to humor, there is also what is considered 'scary'. In the past, creppypastas were scary, nowadays, it's impossible to create anything scary fictional. People are more insensitive. Also, everything was more 'decentralized', it was a more 'atomic' internet, sometimes it felt warmer than today even if there were less people.
We have gone from everyone having Windows XP, to everyone having Windows Vista, to everyone having Windows 7, and finally most of us having Windows 10. It is much more exponential the changes in the technological environments than in the real ones (which are also noticeable in the streets, of course).
Honestly, I find it impossible to predict the internet of 2032... I was writing a letter for 2060 in 'futureme', and I find it impossible to predict what it will be like by then. In fact, I think they won't even use physical screens or keyboards. Anyway, I'm getting long winded!
lol u ppl are young xD
How old are you? I'm technically young, but then I think about future generations... and I feel like an old man. I'm afraid of being on the brink of immortality and not making it, because by the time transhumanism and aging cures come along, I will be at a dangerous age. In the meantime, others will be in their twenties and will have plenty to spare...
I'm pretty sure we're well within the range of time where we'll see either civilizational collapse or singularity, provided you can tough it out for another few decades.
This
Excited for either. I either live out my dystopian fantasies or utopian.
i'm 33 (born in '89), so 13 years older than you. to be completely honest, even though i subscribe and like the general optimism of this sub, i feel exactly the same as you. i don't think world changing technology like anti-ageing therapies and such will be available for another hundred years at minimum. but hey, i'm only here to periodically see if i'm wrong... so here's hoping 🍻
Back in 2002, VHS was still a thing.
We had no DVD player until 2005 or maybe later.
The next decade will be the biggest jump in your life.
You will likely eat mostly 'fake' meat grown in bioreactors.
Your power will be very cheap and powered by renewables (mostly solar)
Your driving will be done for you with autonomous vehicles
Humanoid robots will do the strenuous manual labour
You will have an AI assistant that will be every specialist in one (a phycologist, personal trainer, personal coach, medical specialist, engineer, coder, etc) accessible for a few bucks per month.
There will be far more higher quality content (movies, TV shows, music, etc) that are created by AI
People will have BMI's installed. These are implants into your brain that help you remember things better, access the internet, control emotions easier, etc. This will be like the introduction of the first smart phone.
Am I missing anything?
> The next decade will be the biggest jump in your life.
Until the one after that (and so on...)
You're missing the perspective of age. None of the things you mentioned here will predominate in the next decade. I was born in 1954. Things have changed a lot less than you believe even since then.
Uh... I can't speak for the 1950s since I wasn't alive then, but I remember the 90s and 2000s and I feel as though my life and the world was very different. It's pretty subjective. You can hyperfixate on the way things have remained stable if that's what you want to do (we still drive cars, we still shop at stores, whatever) for whatever reason you might have, but your perspective is not the only valid one. Like my day-to-day life was dramatically different in the 90s because I didn't have the internet for most of the decade, but I'm supposed to discount my own experiences and say that that's totally wrong because... reasons? Because some guy on reddit tells me to? None of my hobbies and interests and defining elements of daily life even existed in 1954.
eeeh I grew up in 80s-90s and looking back life is pretty much drastically different. Between 1950s vs today the difference between no computers at all, let alone internet is pretty massive.
I hope those things are all in production and available for the masses by then.
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I think anything that can compete with human creative writing is necessarily going to be strong AI/AGI, by which point the world as we know it would have ended anyway.
That is to say: you'd have to be able to pass the Turing Test. Language itself is the ultimate and final domain of human intelligence, and storytelling is arguably the subtlest expression of it.
I'm not sure what kind of internet you were on, but there was definitely loads of free porn circa 2002.
It's true that the difference between 2002 and 2012 was very night-and-day whereas 2012 vs. 2022 is more subtle, but you're somewhat overstating the point; I was 24/25 in 2012 and can think of multiple ways in which my life has changed since then due to technology. At any rate, the 10s were largely a preparation decade for various technologies that would proliferate during the 20s, so 2022 vs 2032 will be more akin to 2002 vs 2012, except with a much greater impact on quality-of-life since medical tech will be one of the things that benefits this time.
2002 was still dial-up internet for many, though broadband was on the scene. The internet was scattered, knowledge and communities were based around n specific domain name forums and video media was not the norm. Ads weren’t nearly as targeted. Technology was still seen as “nerdy” by many youngsters at the time. MySpace was starting its rise.
2012– smartphones had hit critical mass, WiFi was starting to proliferate (as far as publicly and freely available) and I remember just a year or so before getting a kick out of streaming a music video on demand on my google g2 smartphone as I was riding in a car The internet had consolidated into the large names we have today, but it was still finding it’s footing.
Today— AI and VR are household names, though not household tools. We’ve realized by and large that maybe connecting everyone all the time was not a wise idea. Though some wish to go back to less techy time, those days are long gone and will never return.
I am in my mid 30s and remember 2002 clearly. Here's a snapshot:
The Internet was around but streaming video really wasn't. Being able to find everything on YouTube and stream it instantly is a big change today.
Physical media was required to watch anything (outside of television, cable TV, or movie theater), so that meant buying or renting a VHS or DVD (not in HD).
Scheduled TV shows were still a big deal. You couldn't watch on your own schedule. Recording shows became easier with things like Tivo, but that wasn't mainstream in 2002. Recording anything on TV still meant a VCR / VHS tape (bad SD quality and like an hour maximum.)
If you wanted to follow a popular show, you had to watch it at its time slot or you missed it until a Rerun. ("Don't miss CSI, Tuesday at 9 Eastern only on CBS!") Primetime television still mattered to people.
Internet speed was dramatically slower. But there were still many good websites, for almost any topic you could usually find good resources online. Many people still only accessed the Internet at the local library or net cafes, and it wasn't uncommon for someone to go days not logging online.
Web shopping was just beginning to be accepted as safe. Amazon was still seen as a niche site mainly for books. EBay was very popular, but people still mailed physical paper money orders for items. It was slower.
The idea of ordering almost everything online and having it arrive next day wasn't around, although this was predicted as the way it would go.
Cell phones were far, far more basic. No smartphones but we had basic texting. People talked on phones far more, but minutes and per-text charges were a concern.
Kids and teenagers didn't all have cell phones the way they do now. It was common for young people not to have their own phone until they were of driving age, and then it was more to have in case of emergency. Many people kept their cell phones literally turned off most of the time.
Home phones / landlines were still everywhere. You memorized important phone numbers.
Cars were about the same, really. Today we have more nav systems and touch screens but a 2000 car is perfectly usable and about the same.
Car GPS was far less common then. Road trips or even just driving places was a bit more challenging, services like MapQuest existed but you often printed turn by turn directions onto paper and had to follow along during the drive. This seems archaic now.
There were nav systems like Garmin and Magellan but they were seen as "fancy / expensive" and still pretty rare.
Drones! These were not around. The average person or even tech enthusiast in 2002 still saw drones as sci-fi / Star Wars-y. The motors, sensors, computers, and batteries weren't good enough yet. Military drones got attention because of Afghanistan but these were huge and still fairly classified.
We didn't think drones would just be flying around like normal in the near future, this wasn't on anybody's radar. The idea that you could just buy a quadracopter able to hover, stabilize itself, take video, and avoid obstacles was seen as some far-future Terminator stuff.
Overall, life was mostly the same really, just far less "always online." Nobody had the Internet in their pockets yet. People's "spheres" or worlds were smaller.
I'd say smartphones, drones, and always-on, streaming Internet and video are the biggest changes.
Neither in 2002 nor in 2012 you could order groceries online where I live. Now it's available in multiple supermarkets and that's how I get my groceries.
Also Uber. I forgot about that. That wasn't around and would have been seen as strange. Now it's part of life in any city.
Webvan actually existed from the 90s-21 which delivered groceries but it went out of business.
The problem is that they had huge costs acquiring the vehicles and society wasn't ready for online shopping of groceries yet.
Today I buy all my groceries online. So they were right, just had the timing wrong.
Terminator far future takes place in the 2020s though
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For me personally, 2012 wasn't that different to now. I had a laptop, a smartphone, spent a lot of time on social media. 2002 on the other hand was a completely different world. We didn't have internet at home at that point.
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Yep, I'm a Gen X so been closely following tech since the late 80's. 2002 to 2012 was a really big leap. I was already working in IT in 2002 and I remember being in awe of a _1 gig_ micro-HD drive. Like the idea of fitting a gigabyte into my pocket was mind blowing. Big bulky massive CRT was still dominant, flat screens didn't really start going mainstream until 2004-ish. TIVO was a massive deal, the ability to pause and time shift television was mind boggling. DVD's were a huge deal...I eventually accumulated over 300 DVD's in my collection...I literally threw the entire collection into a dumpster last year because DVD's are literally just garbage now unless you have some crazy mint edition or something. You could download video but _streaming_ video was still pretty rare and always in crappy resolution. Youtube was still 5 years in the future at that point. Cell phones were still basically just little mobile phones...texting was a thing but universally sucked at the time. Mundane things like Netflix and a 2022 smart phone would have seemed like pure science fiction in 2002.
By comparison the leap from 2012 to 2022 seems smaller...but that could just be an artifact of "recentcy bias". When we look back from 2032 the 2012 to 2022 jump might feel larger.
> By comparison the leap from 2012 to 2022 seems smaller...
True, but this is also the golden period of AI. I think 90% of all AI research was done in the last 10 years.
Maybe. It seems like more of a period of incremental changes. I can only think of a few fundamentally NEW things to emerge in the 2012-2022 period that would stand out to most people from 2012....
-- VR going semi-mainstream and becoming a real thing even if still fairly niche
-- collapse in prices of very large flat screen TV's (even large OLED's are usually under $3000 now)
-- the Deep Learning neural net AI explosion (though practical applications have only really begun to emerge at the very end of that 2012-2022 period)
-- EV cars becoming practical
-- sudden emergence of mRNA tech spurred on by the COVID pandemic
-- wearable tech going mainstream (smart watches, fitness trackers, etc)
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Those are each pretty significant but it still feels like 2002 - 2012 saw more fundamental changes.
Mom answering the phone meant the titty pic you’ve been loading for the last 30 minutes would fail. Playing PC games with friends meant hauling the computer, the monitor, keyboard and mouse into the back of the Ford Windstar. You laughed at the nerds taking notes on their Palm Pilots. Watching a movie meant going to the Blockbuster and renting a VHS cassette. RuneScape when it first came out was absolutely revolutionary. MSN messenger was the shit. Neopets was the best thing since Beanie Babies, and their in-game currency had more utility than Bitcoin does today.
Yo runescape was the shit lol. If I wasn't already busy playing genshin I might play it again for old times sake.
I had just graduated high school in 2002 and started at a service academy. Laser discs were still a thing, the new mini cassette player was dying out and iPod was new. People genuinely (in most common circles) thought that AI was AGI and wouldn’t be around for a long time. There were a lot of comparisons to the 60s on why we didn’t have flying cars. There was zero insight into how AI/ML would impact life. Interesting now that there is a culture looking at future events as a side note. STRATFOR published, “The Next 100 Years” from a geopolitical perspective and I remember thinking about how future wars will be fought but couldn’t comprehend an RC aircraft could become an antonymous platform of war. In this window I joined and quit Facebook as one of the original 200K users and had a new thing called Gmail beta.
2012- after graduation laptops overtaking desktops was a big deal. It was subtle over time but I remember having a feeling of there is no way they can compete. Analytical programs to assist in quantitative studies were just breaking out. Wild when we saw what the “new world” could be and how much faster we could process information. Protecting PPI and my digital footprint became a thing. Bitcoin was front and center on a side hustle that was considered “super fringe.” Started to understand the difference between a program and app- specifically if we could use an iPhone camera for augmented reality.
2022- expanding homomorphic encryption to data in use at scale! The integration of ISR and satellites for near real time tactical edge computing, forgetting every phone number I ever learned and realizing I’m dependent on my person computer (cell phone) for knowledge retrieval. So the biggest jump personally was that it became more important to know where to find information rather than retaining bulk data as an expert.
Young'uns I still remember 8bit processors in 1980s and loading programs from cassette tape. My father was still using IBM-style cards at work when I was a child, I messed up a whole stack playing with them. One card was a line of code. He had to sort it back by hand.
I think the biggest factor of change in the last 20 years was the leap in computing and communication speed. It took us from the PC era into the internet era. This meant an explosion in online media and indirectly allowed the collection of huge datasets that are being used to train AI today.
The things I've seen. I remember Geoffrey Hinton presenting his pre-deep-learning paper "Restricted Boltzmann Machines" around 2005. That instantly got my attention and I started following the topic, back then ML was a pariah. 12 years later I was working in AI. I have seen blow by blow from the front seat every step AI has made since 2012 when things got heated up. I read the Residual Neural Network paper the same day it was published, and witnessed the birth of transformer. I have seen GANs come and go, and even talked with the original author Ian Goodfellow right here on reddit before he got famous. I got to train many neural nets and play with even more. Much of what I learned is already useless, GPT-3 and SD are so open ended they make projects that took years take just weeks now.
Funny thing, when Hinton published the RBM paper he was using unsupervised learning. I thought it was very profound. But in 2012 the big breakthroughs were supervised learning (ImageNet). For five years only supervised learning got the attention and admiration. But in the last 5 years unsupervised won the spotlight again. How the wheel turns.
Here's my experience:
2002: I had the internet but it was still dial up. Would get broad band in next few years. Feel phones were becoming more common but majority didn't have one yet. Also it was mainly for phone calls with maybe a few simple built in games. GPS probably existed but you needed a dedicated device. Social media in its modern form didn't exist. No video hosting sites like YouTube existed. MySpace or Facebook didn't exist yet. There were many other precursor simpler websites and forums. The internet was a foreign concept at this point to the majority especially older generations. You have to understand that at this time people were frightened about the thought of shopping online and sharing personal data online. TVs and monitors were mainly huge box crv types. Flat screen tvs existed but it was pretty expensive. Had to go to the bank to deposit checks and no online billing so I had to send checks over mail for payment for subscriptions or whatever.
2012: First year of mass adoption of smart phones which coincided with mass adoption of social media going mainstream. Tinder came out this year and the stigma against internet dating disappeared. Everyone suddenly had gps with their phones. Netflix started streaming services. YouTube monetizing became easier for content creators. This marked the start of a revolution of how people interacted and entertained themselves. Blockbuster and other movie rental places died. Strip malls which were already dying accelerated their death spirals due to competition first from Walmart and subsequently online shopping. Didn't have to go to banks as much to cash checks anymore due to mobile deposits starting. That said Direct Deposit had already chopped down on that substantially by 2002. Online payment means I practically never need to send checks over the mail.
2022: not too much of a difference from 2012. Mainly refining and maturation of things that existed in 2012 and the cultural and political impact that it led to.
I recall all 3 periods, but 2012 to 2022 is what I want to focus on.
Mobile phones, we had them in 2012 but they did not feel or worked like you could just do anything you wanted with one, not all web sites worked as great on mobile, and they would not charge fast, but battery would die quickly, cameras on the phones were not comparable to a dedicated camera.
If you take a foldable from today u do feel that the device came from a different era, not just a generation ahead but a difference u would have feel between a computer made in 1995 and computer in 2015 that leap but in 10 Years.
Cars were not smart at all, comparing S class from 2012 to the one from 2022 is absolutely shocking.
2012 we did not have real smart home experience, voice controlled, easy to integrate etc, cross apps and all, smart home was more of a conceptual thing.
2012 had no real time working powerfull ai for image recognition or speech.
2012 did not have really smart wearables, even Apple watch first generation from 2015 did not have a killer feature.
That being said I think the leap in past decade was massive especially in things you u don't see, we did not think we can make 1nm scale processors back in 2012, we thought the hard limit was around whatever 10nm? Diagnostics and genome related progress, material science, those things moved so much in 10 years that I bet it feels like a hundred years has passed
You should have seen the internet in the 90s man what a weird place in time
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Like most inventions that take off, both the internet, and then the smart phone solved multiple problems at once. I believe that is why those 2 have been the most impactful.
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Well the main thing is the internet and its uses and Inrerface, I. E. Smart phones and tablets and falt screens, Xbox and PS... Cars, air travel, shipping, houses, all most of appliances, nothing much changed unless related to the internet...
In 2012, Internet connections were much slower (40x in my case), there were far less YouTube videos and they were of much worse quality and sophistication. Android smartphones were a bad experience (for me at least), I don't know about iPhones, but my friend switched from iPhone to Android in 2012. Many people still used Core 2 Duos. SSDs were not common at all (and when someone bought one, it was usually about 120 GB), although I had one. Most people did not have a smartphone yet (I had one). New laptops battery life was 2-4 hours instead of 12-24 hours. Only the newest laptops had a 1080p display. Wireless earphones or headphones were very rare and they offered much worse sound quality than today, the battery would last a maximum of 3 hours (writing from experience). AI was seen as science-fiction outside of machine-learning, Singularity and Futurism circles. There were far less emojis than now. Language translation sucked and was almost unusable. The WWW was far smaller than it is today. Electric cars weren't really a thing outside of Tesla enthusiasts and many people were ridiculing an electric car idea. Elon Musk wasn't yet well known. Smartphonography sucked compared to now. DLSRs were getting popular, good mirrorless photo camera wasn't a thing yet. 4K wasn't a thing. More than 60 Hz wasn't a thing. People gamed on Wii, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Nintendo DS and Sony PSP. Angry Birds were very popular. Anime wasn't as popular outside of Japan as it is now. You couldn't legally buy a digital manga. China's GDP was 35% lower than today, Ireland's GDP was 58% lower than today. Overall, it was a different time than today.
Maybe we just don’t have super fast Internet right now like we don’t need the quantum one, but by 2012 I’m pretty sure it was fast enough we could stream most videos without buffering even over Wi-Fi, before 2008 I would agree though
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The main difference for me between 2002 and 2012 was how smartphones let you be online all the time, and everything that comes with that. I distinctly remember being lost in a city with a friend around that time. We had to call someone we thought would be near a computer to MapQuest directions for us. By 2012, basically no one would have that experience. (I actually got my first personal smartphone in 2013, but my SO had had one for a couple years at by that point.) The quality of resources for just about anything available online jumped quite a bit during that time, too. In high school, going to a large library was still useful for some school projects. By the time I was done with college, you could at least do a first pass at gathering information on any subject online. Video on the internet was terrible in 2002, but YouTube was very much a thing by 2012, as were other ways to stream TV and Movies. I think desktops for general home use phased out in those years, with laptops and later phones and tablets becoming the primary device format for consumption, and leaving desktops for work and gamers. In 2002 technology was still largely for kids (who learned about it in school) and nerds (who have always liked tech). By 2012, your Grandma had an iPad. As kind of a final note on that period, there was a line in an early episode of The Wire that's something along the lines of "What are you going to do with a computer?" That line would have fallen completely flat by 2012.
2012 to 2022 has seemed to me to be more of a period of refinement. Connection speeds, wi-fi availability, etc. have all improved drastically. Devices are thinner, and sometime feel higher quality. Basically, a lot of the same trends from 2002 to 2012 have continued, but there hasn't been a paradigm shift like there was in the early 2000s with the finishing up of the trend from the late 1990s of getting computing devices and internet connections into homes, and then getting most people online everywhere via mobile. If anything, I guess the biggest change 2012 to 2022 has been the advancements in safety technology in cars, with lane keeping, automatic braking, and so on.
I remember using screwdriver to tune the image on tv from commodore 64 playing a game from small casete... to put it this way kids today are growing up with face to face calls and fun on demand, my father remembers the first tv in his village... it was black and white. He told me about the chimney commercial where some letters would go out of chimney, he would run out to see them....
And now he is witness of the technology we have today...
Or to put this way from 2012 till now there was mor e progress than from 1950 till 2012... damn
There is no way there was more progress from 2012 to 2022 than 1950 to 2012
In 2012 the idea of a real AI was kind of a sci fi joke.
Now in 2022 we have AI that can write and create art better than many humans.
Just imagine what we’ll have by 2032.
I would say the technological impact on the average human is greater from 1950 to 2012 than 2012 to 2022 the average human is not impacted more by ai than say something by the internet (yet)
I was in college in 2002. It was an era of the dawn of early social media and the first time high-speed (though still slow by today’s standards) wifi internet was becoming widely available. The PS2 reigned supreme in video games, and the internet was still a place you “went” instead of an overarching aspect of daily life.
In 2012 smart phones had begun their domination in earnest and the social media take over of the world was in full swing. The iPhone was changing everything, and stocks and crypto were exploding due to the free money printing - it seemed like everybody had a plan to get rich. I was one of the first people on WSB back during these times. And one of the first people into dogecoin a year after that.
And now in 2022, gestures vaguely. Here we are.
The year is 2022. When your phone battery die, you are back to 1992, but without the payphones. This is how much technology changed...
Congrats. One of the most monstrously stupid posts of 2022.
I advice to solve your problems instead of hoping for some magical event to solve them for you. Depression, unemployment, under-education or whatever is your problem. Saviors from another planet, deus ex machina, second coming or anything in that line of thought is not gonna help, because it ain't happening.
You're dumb as fuck.
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I was a middle schooler in 2002, and it was pretty different. I remember collect calls since cell phones were just starting to proliferate with my classmates. VR aka Virtual Boy had flopped a couple of years earlier. DVDs will still a thing, and so was Blockbuster.
I remember my dad had to use map quest to take me to baseball games and I was listeneinf to music on my CD player while he was cussing because he missed his exit. Porn wasn’t free and you had to rely on playboy mags or wait a while for a single pic to download.
What’s funny is that 2012 to me was drastically different than 2002. But 2012 doesn’t really feel different than 2022. I mean I have an air fryer now, but I can’t really think of much that’s changed from then to now.