HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_j1ein3s wrote on December 23, 2022 at 6:44 PM

Reply to comment by calbhollo in Ethical AI tools will only hasten the singularity, not slow it down. by OldWorldRevival

It’s not hurting progress at all though, also the people working on these programs(OpenAI/Stability)know they are protected through the legal system, they got their datasets from websites who have the rights to republish users data because their users signed a terms of service permitting that these social sites could share their data in exchange for profit, this is how social media websites have always made money and it’s also the reason why you can use them for “free”. The cases are going to fall apart the very moment the TOS are pulled out. These people agreed to do the very thing they are now protesting, the issue is they don’t understand how social media works, nor did they bother to read the terms of service.

It’s not going to hold up in court, social media websites have been selling their users data legally for 25 years now. If they couldn’t do that we wouldn’t have any social media at all…

AndromedaAnimated t1_j1eueam wrote on December 23, 2022 at 8:05 PM

I hope it won’t hold up in court. But sadly as a German I experienced what usually happens, we had the upload filter problem just a few years ago… Our German politicians promising the upload filters are not going to come, people saying hey relax it won’t happen… the upload filters came.

OldWorldRevival OP t1_j1esmci wrote on December 23, 2022 at 7:53 PM

So... shady terms of service are a good thing?

HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_j1et14v wrote on December 23, 2022 at 7:56 PM

They’ve been selling your data since the late 90s. And while you could argue they’re using your data without permission (it kind of is, I agree) it doesn’t change the fact you agreed to let them do it. The business couldn’t function if they couldn’t do that, so they host your content, but they get rights to share it with who they want.

Eric Snowden has been saying this for years but nobody ever listened, it’s just that now massive datasets are being use to train neural networks everyone’s freaking out about it, this is nothing new.

OldWorldRevival OP t1_j1etana wrote on December 23, 2022 at 7:58 PM

So, you think its a good thing that Adobe has a hidden term of use to use your private data to train their AI, even though you pay them a subscription?

HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_j1eufxy wrote on December 23, 2022 at 8:06 PM

That’s not the same thing, that’s a paid subscription model. Social Media websites make money by getting rights to share your data, and in return you get to use their platform for free. Every time you see an advertisement or promotion it’s because Twitter/Facebook/Reddit sold your data off to Advertisers.

You don’t know how these companies work. They couldn’t pay to host the servers to keep the datacenters running if they couldn’t republish data for profit. It’s an integral part of the business.