Danger of some robots in the future with bad cyber security

Submitted by crua9 t3_zfah4g in singularity

So something I always seen come up is people freak out about the robot killing people with guns or overpowering them. But I never see about the cyber security part.

Like let's say I'm an enemy country and want to attack. I could attack directly and risk a lot. Or I could have people hack into civilian humanoid robots living in homes. Have them mix cleaners or whatever and make a bomb. This blowing up half the homes in a nation in 1 day. This crippling the country before sending in my military.

Like there seriously needs to be a serious push for cyber security awareness and standards to be enforce by law due to this.

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Cryptizard t1_izbguzr wrote

Do you think people aren't worried about cybersecurity?

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crua9 OP t1_izbhdwu wrote

Not really. Actions speak far louder than any words.

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Cryptizard t1_izbi6n1 wrote

You probably have dozens of internet-connected devices in your house. How many times have you been hacked?

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crua9 OP t1_izbj5ud wrote

I have a background in cyber security. So this is one area I really do know what I'm talking about. Like you litterally had a car manufacturer think it was OK to hook up the Bluetooth system to the same system that controls the cars break, speed, etc

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Cryptizard t1_izbk2tl wrote

That was like 10 years ago.

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crua9 OP t1_izblk8k wrote

And? There is hacks All the time. Pen testers which point out companies won't patch simple systems. And so on

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Cryptizard t1_izbn1g7 wrote

Humor me and point me out a major widespread hack on a popular consumer device that happened in the last couple years.

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crua9 OP t1_izbpch8 wrote

It isn't a consumer device but USA announced China hacked in their systems to get some of the covid money. Also you have equifax. Lastpass had a jack. Etc

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Cryptizard t1_izbqexn wrote

Hacking a centralized system is very different from simultaneously hacking a robot in a million different homes. You have to know that.

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crua9 OP t1_izbs98s wrote

Not exactly. There was malware that was attached to some applications due to what a developers were developing the applications on. And the malware got into a boatload of android devices and other devices.

We can do the Tit for Tat all day, but at the end of the day it has been proven that cyber security is not top issue for most. In fact many companies and the government itself views it has a henrance since it does not make money and this has been argued within board meetings and other places.

Hell we are talking about State levels. Meaning groups that can afford and do use spies to sabotage things all the time. How hard would it realistically be to either bribe or get someone in place to upload an update. Perhaps they know what it is or more likely they don't. And in this you made a back door for the state level to do what they want when they want how they want

It only takes one and I mean one attack to do large scale damage.

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Cryptizard t1_izbtq0c wrote

>How hard would it realistically be to either bribe or get someone in place to upload an update.

For a big tech company? Really fucking hard. Look at how many Apple devices there are in the world and collectively how much financial and personal information they protect. Now tell me, how many times has there been a breach at Apple?

Governments have even shown that they CAN'T get into Apple devices, they had to take Apple to court to try to unlock a proven terrorist's phone. The only argument you are making is to not use cheap knockoff robots. It is actually really straightforward to make a secure consumer product, if you put the time and money into it. Companies have done it, and continue to do it. It is why you aren't constantly losing all the money to hackers just because you use online banking or having your network hacked all the time because you use an off-the-shelf router.

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crua9 OP t1_izbu1hq wrote

Really? Because the NSA has offices with the ones in the USA and by law in China you will have offices for the CCP.

And your comment about Apple shows how little you know. On the local level sure. But when they send it to higher levels they get in.

I'm done with this back and forward because again you keep overlooking it only takes 1 hack. And every counter I give which disproves what you said you devert

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Nmanga90 t1_izc4ruc wrote

Ring cameras were hacked in 2020. Also Amazon Echo can be hacked, wemoo smart plug, smart TVs, Security systems, thermostats, etc.

MediaTek processors left 1/3 of the WORLD’s IOT devices with a massive vulnerability that allows remote access to audio on the device.

Qualcomm Snapdragon chips had weaknesses that allowed remote access to data, which left 2/3 of all smartphones in the world with a massive vulnerability.

This is not anything new.

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PyreOfDeath97 t1_izex1tg wrote

Cybersecurity is already a huge industry, and I project it will become far bigger in the future. In my old job, the protocols required just to access the necessary applications already consumed a lot of the workday. I imagine ai will make this process far more efficient.

Once we get to AGI, I imagine it will be a battle of which country has the strongest ai. I doubt whatever North Korea or Russia develop will be able to penetrate the defence of the US, if it’s also running an ai to protect the machines on its grid.

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AJ-0451 t1_izl9fdi wrote

Other than this, you saw fiction that shown a nation, hell even a space-faring one, devastated by a cyberattack (the most notable one being the Fall of the Twelve Colonies in Battlestar Galactica: 2003)? There's even an article that uses the aforementioned Fall, and certain Star Trek episodes with notable cyberwarfare, to show the US Navy needs to improve its cybersecurity.

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