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AndromedaAnimated t1_j1ok6a1 wrote

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My Muslim colleague used to say: „Quran has suggestions about not drinking too much, but drinking in moderation - for example just one glass of beer or wine with your dinner - is not a sin.“

I kinda believe him, as a lot of Muslims I know drink alcohol from time to time (but none of them ever drinks so much that they actually get drunk).

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ItzFlixi t1_j1pgzq1 wrote

your muslim colleague has a special edition quran or something?

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AndromedaAnimated t1_j1psi4p wrote

I think he has just read both it and lots of Ahaddith (sorry don’t know how it is written) and understood most of the wording? He is very, very literate, has a degree in Arabic and English (plus social sciences) and a polyglot humanist with extensive knowledge on Islam. And from what I know different branches of Islam have different Ahaddith too? Or am I wrong?

Please feel free to correct me, I am not an expert on Islam at all and if my colleague told me BS I would be interested in knowing that (someone might gonna get their butt kicked for misinformation when I get back to work…).

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ItzFlixi t1_j1q2e8g wrote

the great majority of muslims are sunni, they find the quraan to be the main source and is to be taken literally. they take more elaboration on it from ahaddith (what the profit said/did/approved of). for example: quran says we must pray, ahaddith explain how to pray.

since quran says all intoxicants must be persistently rejected, ahaddith cannot make it legal. furthermore, ive never heard anyone argue that alcohol is halal, even tho i grew up in a muslim country

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AndromedaAnimated t1_j1q2loe wrote

Thank you for providing information! I guess I will have to have a serious talk with my colleague when - if - I ever return to this job. It’s not cool to spread misinformation. Especially on a religion that is being discriminated against anyway in many parts of the world.

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ItzFlixi t1_j1q71bw wrote

i really appreicate you taking the effort to check the information, especially with people trying to ruin its reputation by linking it to extremists. id be happy to help you and answer any questions!

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Utoko t1_j1pqvlh wrote

>"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful." - Surah Al-Ma'idah, Verse 90

They are just like people in other religions to ignore what you don't like. To be fair I like people who adapt their religion are better than people, who try to stick to it word for word.

Also in my personal student life I also knew a lot of Muslims who would drink on parties, but I would never drink at home.

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lloesche t1_j1pr43g wrote

Or maybe the whole not drinking thing is just inconvenient? How many Christians are there that work on Sundays, had a falling out with their parents, committed adultery or have been stealing? I'd be surprised if there was a single Christian on earth that has never defied one of the 10 Commandments. Many people don't take their religion THAT seriously and see it more as guidelines to be a decent human. It's all just stuff made up by other humans after all.

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ItzFlixi t1_j1qjrz0 wrote

its not inconvenient, your society is just used to it. in the middle east many, if not most, people never drink in their lives and its fine for them. you dont need to disable your brain to have fun

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lloesche t1_j1z9ed0 wrote

Capital punishment is legal in most countries of the Middle East. It appears that they have discovered other means of "disabling their brain", as you put it so eloquently and non-judgemental.

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ItzFlixi t1_j1zigrf wrote

how is that any related? do you just wanna critize?

also im pro capital punishment. terrorists who kill innocents should be executed

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AndromedaAnimated t1_j1pr9ho wrote

Also true. Secular take on religion is a widely known phenomenon, of course.

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