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petermobeter t1_izpm8oi wrote

u seem to be implying that socialism = politicians directing society

meanwhile, thats the very thing karl marx was trying to prevent! he wanted there to be no more hierarchy, so bosses/employees would all be on the same level, politicians/voters would all be on the same level, etc etc.

he wanted the vertical stack of power to be abolished because when one guy controls everything & owns everything at the top, the workers of the world would be exploited. thats why he said “workers of the world unite”.

the phrase “seize the means of production” is basically saying “artists should control the image-generating A.I. rather than media corporations”

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DaggerShowRabs t1_izpmpme wrote

This is true, but Marx recognized that a powerful central government would be a necessary transition state to the stateless society. Unfortunately, due to the inherent corruptibility of humans who reach positions of power, that "transition state" tends to be more or less indefinite.

That will hopefully change with advanced ASI.

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Big-Faithlessness573 t1_izr8y1g wrote

> the phrase “seize the means of production” is basically saying “artists should control the image-generating A.I. rather than media corporations”

Nobody should control AI, especially not the artists who are so bitter about it on Twitter/other social media platforms. It is again a group of people controlling something. The difference here is that those group of people are "artists" instead of a "corporation".

A.I should be available for anyone and everyone to use. Otherwise, it could turn into a scenario where these "artists" might set arbitrary conditions for the AI use and won't allow anyone who isn't a professional artist to use it.

And again, what will be the use of "artists" in the future if anyone can generate the type of art they want using A.I ?

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AndromedaAnimated t1_izrtbfo wrote

The use of artists will be to create art.

As a former artist-in-spe who has great drawing and painting skill but was not accepted at art universities for being “not novel or original enough” (yes, this is the reason I was given) I think the same judgement will soon apply to all AI art. It’s not original. Haha.

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Big-Faithlessness573 t1_izs0mjm wrote

> The use of artists will be to create art.

Yeah sure. I was only confused/bothered by the word "control" which the redditor (to whom I replied to) mentioned. I was like, " why do you wanna control it ? "

Professional artists can use it and average people can use it too. Nobody should be the gatekeepers of this technology whether they are corporations or a group of people. That was my point.

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DruAndrew t1_izthxbj wrote

is funny/sad how many people think that because nations label themselves "communist" they are practicing Marxism. But nobody considers North Korea a "democratic republic" even though they call themselves the DPRK.

Most folks who cry about "Marxism" haven't actually read any Marx, or communist literature. they just react to the ghost stories told to them by their parents, preachers, and favorite pundits.

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