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Artanthos t1_izxjwhf wrote

Reply to comment by User1539 in Exponential improvement in 6 months of AI in image generation ft. Ronald McDonald by Sieventer

People are willing to accept 10s of thousands of human caused vehicle deaths per year. Just in the US.

They demand perfection from autonomous vehicles.

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User1539 t1_izy1t6f wrote

I'm not sure what the hold up is, honestly. I'm sure that's part of it, but also you've all seen the tech demos that show Tesla's pulling into oncoming traffic, so it's tough to argue that it's ready for prime time, but no one is willing to pull the trigger.

I'm sure we'll get there, but we are definitely behind the imagined timeline of Elon Musk, who's really proven that he's mostly full of shit at this point, and shouldn't be listened to or trusted.

I think there was a lot of hype, and frankly lies, that clouded our judgement on that one, and now I'm hesitant to say that I feel like I know what the state of things really is.

I'm not sure if we're in a similar bubble with other things or not?

Things are definitely moving along at breakneck speeds. 5 months or 5 years probably doesn't really matter in the long run.

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Artanthos t1_izy45bf wrote

We have driverless taxis in active use in a small number of cities around the world.

My feeling is that most of the current hurdles are regulatory. Government regulation takes years to develop and implement.

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User1539 t1_izyrhvl wrote

But, those taxis prove that the regulations have been met. There are licenced trials of driverless taxis.

So, why aren't we using them all the time, everywhere?

The answer seems to be that the driverless taxis are still only used when there's not a lot of traffic, and in very specific areas where the AI has been trained and the roads are well maintained.

So, in certain circumstances that favor the AI, the technology seems pretty much ready. Even the government is allowing it.

I think it really is a technical hurtle to get the AI driving well enough that it can handle every real-world driving situation.

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Artanthos t1_izyxgdy wrote

Why aren’t we using them everywhere?

Because it’s going to take time to get regulatory approval.

Government is a slow process. Years will be spent gathering data, addressing public concerns, carefully evaluating regulations, etc.

Only after the process is complete and regulations are in place will fully autonomous vehicles be allowed outside their current test cities.

China is already ahead of the US with this regulatory framework.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/08/tech/baidu-robotaxi-permits-china/index.html

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User1539 t1_izz0sqa wrote

But, again, people who have the beta of the self driving Tesla all seem to agree it's not ready for primetime. I've ridden in one in the past 6 months where the owner was telling me he won't use it because it's 'like riding with a teenager, you never know when it's just going to do something stupid and you have to panic and slam the brakes'.

They're still limited hours on the ones they are using as driverless taxis (not Teslas, so who knows how far ahead they are?), but I don't think this is entirely regulatory.

If we had video after video of beta users saying 'I just put my hands on the wheel and fall asleep in NYC traffic', I'd be there with you, but that's not what I'm hearing.

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Artanthos t1_izzzpuk wrote

Tesla is not the market leader for self driving vehicles, and has not been for a long time.

Stop fixating on Tesla and Musk and go look at the rest of the world.

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prodoosh t1_izy5sgq wrote

Idk if you can say that when autopilot already is 10x safer than the average human driver

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User1539 t1_izyr47x wrote

I actually looked that up, and ... well, kind of, but mostly no.

That claim was actually 9X safer, and it was done with a tiny sample size of accidents, and didn't take into account that a person basically has to be driving the car with autopilot (so, there's no accounting for the number of times the human took over to stop an accident).

Also, almost no one is using autopilot in congested cities, and the tests that have been done weren't promising.

So, 9X safter, with sparse, cherry picked, data?

For areas without a ton of traffic, that are well known to the AI? It seems to do a pretty good job.

I'm not saying we don't nearly have it, or that we won't have it very soon. I'm just not sure it's as good as some people think it is.

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prodoosh t1_j00n57w wrote

Thanks. Good write up of the issue. Most auto pilot use is in the easiest scenarios. Makes sense why the numbers look too good to be true

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mirror_truth t1_izy8bpp wrote

All it would take is one bad crash (like killing a kid) to create a tsunami of bad PR that would set the field back a decade. Not to mention the bad PR that would come first from the mass layoffs of commercial drivers (truckers, cabbies, bus drivers etc).

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