PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30j6au wrote on January 5, 2023 at 5:24 AM

Reply to comment by Gotisdabest in NYC Bans Students and Teachers from Using ChatGPT by blueSGL

Yeah I agree with that and have written extensively about it. Everyone draws a line of the amount of technological progress they consider to be acceptable. Conservatives tend to draw that line very early on. As progress is accelerating, we are now crossing the lines drawn by progressive people. My point isn’t about politics, but that we are now beginning to face resistance from people we traditionally haven’t had issues with.

Gotisdabest t1_j30kku0 wrote on January 5, 2023 at 5:37 AM

Is that really true though? A large section of the relative left or progressive faction has been opposing specific types of tech for centuries at this point. Union protests against more automation have been a long long part of history and green anti-nuclear beliefs are common.

What i do think is happening is that we are having a lot more hue and cry this time since, well, it's a lot bigger now. To add on this is a field that's not very popular yet in the media as compared to just regular politics, so understanding is low and the general impression is just a creeping dread. And traditionally, everyone is afraid of something that poses a real risk to them. Instead of a line being crossed, it's more like people just think that they are under threat.

It's come out a lot more due to the primarily leftist art community being the first to see some massive immediate threat. I imagine it'll tilt the other side when it's some typically right wing jobs being automated.

It's moreso that these are now being amplified due to the large amount of debate and discussion rather than particular lines being crossed.

PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30m0qy wrote on January 5, 2023 at 5:50 AM

Yeah technological advancements in the modern day are often used by Liberals and Conservatives in the culture war. Right now, Liberals are being clowned on because of AI Art replacing Twitter artists. A year ago it was conservatives being clowned because of the NFT and Crypto market collapse.

In regards to the AI art thing; I think the backlash has a lot more to do with whose problem it is instead of the fact that it’s someone’s problem. Artists are the ones who are feeling the burn because of AI art, and they’re creative people who can draw well. So this means that they are able to effectively propagandize large swathes of people against AI art for their own self interest. To date; we have never attempted to automate the work of people who were able to win this much support for their cause without any outside help.

Gotisdabest t1_j30niua wrote on January 5, 2023 at 6:06 AM

>In regards to the AI art thing; I think the backlash has a lot more to do with whose problem it is instead of the fact that it’s someone’s problem.

For sure. I was speaking more in terms of why there seems to be a rise in left wing anti ai voices, so to speak. It's mostly because of ai "coming after" a heavily left wing and very vocal community.

>A year ago it was conservatives being clowned because of the NFT and Crypto market collapse.

And in another year it'll likely be truck drivers who'd be angry.

PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30pb2h wrote on January 5, 2023 at 6:24 AM

As a guy who worked in Trucking; we have been working on self driving trucks for a while. The consensus among developers of SD trucks and truckers themselves is that the field will eventually be automated and likely soon. But we probably still have at least a decade because 1) we don’t have FSD cars yet and safety is priority with massive trucks, and 2) actual driving is only half the job.

Gotisdabest t1_j30pied wrote on January 5, 2023 at 6:27 AM

We do actually have FSD trucks working some short routes for Walmart, iirc. And we kinda do have some FSD cars. They're still undergoing testing, ofc, but it's mostly on open streets. Mercedes has level 3 models out already by German standards and Kia looks primed for it.

PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30q3kd wrote on January 5, 2023 at 6:33 AM

Yeah I would know I helped test a few (but not for Walmart). I think they’re looking really good so far. I do think they will compose the majority of newly sold lories by 2030. But the main issues facing them are legal liability, inflexibility for LTL roots or smaller roots. Load management, logistics, load accountability, highway robbery, etc.

I think a lot of these issues could be fixed with a person who rides the lorey and does these tasks. And that’s what Walmart and other companies who are testing these are doing. But we are still a few years off from this being a viable means to control the majority of the American trucking industry.

Don’t tell kids to become truckers though.

Gotisdabest t1_j30uexe wrote on January 5, 2023 at 7:23 AM

I do think legal liability will fade reasonably quickly once certain safety standards are met. Not that they won't still happen it'll just be far better for everyone involved to figure out a framework. Highway robbery is an issue but i also don't see it really blocking change since it's certainly not equal to the value of not hiring a driver. I have no knowledge of the logistics or load management but surely they too can be managed reasonably quickly with some traning.

I do value your experience on this topic and find your concerns legitmate, but i also think that the change will come far quicker than expected just because of lucrative it is for everyone, and how other countries adopting it would lead to a rush everywhere else to not miss out on the productivity boost. A dramatically reduced salary and benefits structure along with more extensive and flexible driving times is just too powerful to ignore once the tech is proven.