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eve_of_distraction t1_j34av6f wrote

Reply to comment by PIPPIPPIPPIPPIP555 in I asked ChatGPT if it is sentient, and I can't really argue with its point by wtfcommittee

Oh yes there are. There are plenty of catastrophically confused philosophers when it comes to this. Have you read any Dan Dennett?

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williamfwm t1_j350zmd wrote

That's because Dan Dennett is a p-zombie. He's never experienced consciousness, so he can't fathom what it is. Same goes for a number of other eliminative materialists such as the Churchlands, Graziano, Blackmore, etc

Interestingly, Richard Dawkins the mega-reductionist-Uber-atheist is not one, and neither is Kurzweil, who believes in computationalism (functionalism); you'd be hard pressed to find it in his books, but he slipped and all but admitted that consciousness is something that transcends reductionism in a reply he wrote to Jaron Lanier's One Half A Manifesto in the early 2000s

It would help the discussion if we could steal the terminology back, because it's been zombified by Dennett (continuing what his mentor Ryle started) and his ilk. I think we ought to distinguish "Dennettian Consciousness" (where 'consciousness' is just a convenient, abstract label for the bag of tricks the brain can perform) and "Chalmerian Consciousness" (the real kind of consciousness, the reduction-transcending-ineffable, for people who believe in the Hard Problem)

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PIPPIPPIPPIPPIP555 t1_j366ifj wrote

Dan Dennett does not deny Subjective Experience he is saying that Qualia (The subjective Experience) is NOT incorrigible, ineffable, private nor directly accessible and this does not mean that Subjective Experience does not exist it does only imply that the processes that Creates the Experience is Physical processes in the brain

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eve_of_distraction t1_j3676h2 wrote

He said consciousness is an illusion though.

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FusionRocketsPlease t1_j36ke9e wrote

Yup. Now it remains to know how rays qualitative characteristics arise from quantities without these characteristics. If you talk about emergency, you'll get a block.

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