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Siliskk t1_j9nge4r wrote

Reply to comment by No-Percentage4385 in Time dilation question by [deleted]

Appreciate the comment! This has been stuck in my mind rhe past few days and i finally decided to ask here

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i_can_has_rock t1_j9nlnlp wrote

tl,dr: i agree with you and my similar theory is the same as yours, just a few orders of magnitude out from the center but still applies to what your saying

ive had a very similar thought and took it to the extent that time outside of the reach of the black hole in the center of a galaxy may be almost immeasurably different than anything caught in its field past the very edge of the field. the true time constant. essentially viewing a galaxy from the point of view where you arent affected by dilation at all; to me, would seem that every galaxy would pop in to and out of existence almost immediately. all observable light from other galaxies would essentially be filtered through our own galaxy's black hole dilation gradient; so, its entirely possible that both perspectives are happening simultaneously; which would infer that, if we ever left our galaxy to get to another galaxy, it would have already evaporated because we left the dilation field.

your line of reasoning seems sound to me. the only thing that might vary between your hypothesis and reality would be the varying degrees of dilation vs the distance to the black hole

the whole thread ended really badly for me, so good luck

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MrTurdFace69 t1_j9nvcnk wrote

There is no true time constant. It's all relative, as Spacetime is curved by mass/energy. So there doesn't exist a point that isn't affected by mass/gravity, that we know of.

There is no end to the gravitational field a black hole produces. In fact there is no end to the gravitational field that your body produces.

They both extend the entire universe. However, far enough away, their effects become negligible.

If there are two 1kg spheres of metal in space, and they are 1 meter apart. Then, to the human eye, it seems like they experience no gravitational effect.

Yet they will experience the same gravitational effect that 2 earth mass objects would experience when they are 6x10^25 meters apart.

I think what you're trying to understand is sort of what Einstein was trying to understand when he was figuring out how to imagine what happens if you could travel along side by side with a beam of light. Which would basically mean you experience no time.

However, he concluded it's not possible to accelerate to that speed and that the speed of light was constant for all observers, and hence came up with the special relativity theory. Which eventually led to general relativity. Which, ironically in this discussion, predicted black holes haha.

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i_can_has_rock t1_j9q9uny wrote

let me simplify

there -is- a true time constant that isnt affected by dilation or relativity

it exists as an abstract by itself and isnt dependent on either of those

is what im saying

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MrTurdFace69 t1_j9rwanz wrote

But I'm saying that doesn't exist in reality whatsoever.

If you have mass (or even light itself does this) in this universe, then you will effect the time dilation of other mass objects and they will effect you. These effects permeate all of the universe.

Sure, you can imagine such a place. But so what? It wouldn't apart of this universe, because by definition it can't be.

If you're just using this as an imagination technique to describe what you'd see the universe do if you experience no time, then ok. But I don't think referring to relativity is necessary in that instance. I mean you could just instead say "what would the universe look like if I experienced no time?"

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