Submitted by EricFromOuterSpace t3_y9v6ny in space
socialkaosx t1_it81myf wrote
It is very ...human to assume that we will ever be able to notice and understand "aliens".
We have many examples on earth of what the ladder of life looks like, how diametrically different the development of the nervous system is.
TheJoliestEgg t1_it83q30 wrote
Exactly. That reminds me of a good quote I love: “The universe is not only stranger than you suppose, it is stranger than you can suppose.”
socialkaosx t1_it84u3z wrote
In my opinion, we can live with aliens all the time without realising it.
CockEyedBandit t1_it95ft6 wrote
My belief is that Darwin reigns supreme. I think aliens will not be so crazy that our head explodes but something we can imagine. They will have eyes and ears and a way to eat. The stuff that will be crazy is the beings that are past natural evolution and have started with genetic engineering and non-organic life/body parts.
TheJoliestEgg t1_it9hddx wrote
That is certainly a perspective, and I’m sympathetic to it. But I hope you’re wrong and that the universe is wackier than what our current understanding allows.
PeacefulGarlic t1_it9vd9q wrote
A floating species that communicates in long noises that to humans sounds like arse cheek flapping farts that can last for fifty seconds at a time.
crappyITkid t1_it8ks52 wrote
But then you see headlines of 7 different species evolving to basically become a crab. Makes you wonder how often species could convergently evolve into a form similar to ours.
socialkaosx t1_it8obmz wrote
I think you don't quite understand what I'm writing about. Imagine the ladder of evolution, from unicellular to human.
Now extend the ladder three times.
It is beyond the reach of human brains.
Probably this will be the case with consciousness, physics, quantum physics or ai or a thousand other things.
Our heads will not be able to understand it, just as a spider will never understand a children's colouring book ; )
crappyITkid t1_it8ynnz wrote
I think you're really over complicating evolution and life to a degree that breaches into the realm of fantasy. Alien life is constrained by the exact some rules of physics as we are. I don't think there's any reason (yet) to believe life as we've observed it on planet Earth is not a common phenomena in the cosmos.
RedditMods_R_Nazis t1_it9pljc wrote
The evolution of life on Earth is/was dependent on the evolution of the Earth itself. We know several global extinction events have happened in Earth’s past. These events are all unique to Earth and the life that was on Earth at the times of those events evolved uniquely because of those events. Also, just because physics seems to have rules, most of which we don’t really understand fully, doesn’t necessarily mean those same physics apply to all areas of the universe. We assume physics is the same everywhere but we don’t really know for sure. Life may be very common but to think it’s similar to the life that evolved on Earth isn’t a fair comparison or assumption. We don’t really know.
socialkaosx t1_it90u1o wrote
: D yes? so prove it
because quantum physics seems to contradict the fact that our world exists at all in a physical sense
Ragnarok314159 t1_itbkuos wrote
You are looking at this in the wrong perspective.
It would be more like taking someone from 300 years ago into the future vs 3000 to 30,000 years ago. A person from 300 years ago would be mystified by what we have, but if they are slightly educated will accept the wonders of modern society.
A person from 3000 years could be communicated with on some level, but have little understanding. This world would not be theirs.
30,000 years, it would be next to impossible, but they could learn.
A spider cannot conceptualize our world because it has no need. Aliens would land and do alien things, and because we have a basic understanding of the greater principles of the world could get that space ship fly. You might be of the level of the spider, but others are not.
socialkaosx t1_itbsgcd wrote
A simple example - maybe any observed or not (dark energy) cosmic phenomenon are your aliens? How do you verify this? Like someone here wrote that "it's not a crab" or "it doesn't have an eye" ? : )
socialkaosx t1_itbrk3n wrote
Why do you continue to assume that you will be able to understand "aliens" with your mind?
If they live in a different time in a different dimension, perhaps they live at a different speed or scale so in your short life you won't even be able to see it.
You have such a very Christian approach. You think everything is just like you.
This is bloody naive.
tobojijo t1_itaq9fs wrote
The eye has evolved separately at least 3 times on earth
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