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Civ6Ever t1_iuhivwf wrote
A medium sized two bedroom apartment with a 2m (a little low) ceiling is 110m^3.
Yes_hes_that_guy t1_iuhji1d wrote
Now imagine that being your entire world, with roommates.
fuzzybunn t1_iuhmnxa wrote
Locked down in Melbourne over 2020/1 over several months in an apartment half that size. Also did 6 weeks of quarantine in hotel rooms even smaller than that, with no human contact. It was not great, but it was fine after I got a new routine sorted. I'm sure there are many people who hate it and can't live like that, but conversely I'm sure there are people who didn't mind it that much.
Also, the view is amazing.
EventAccomplished976 t1_iui3k6e wrote
It‘s also not quite comparable to sonething like a lockdown since they are busy working all day instead of having to sit around trying to kill time. And the actual total volume will be a bit bigger since there‘s usually a tianzhou and at least one shenzhou attached to the station.
Override9636 t1_iui2uz9 wrote
But you don't have to pay rent or order takeout, and you get to BE IN SPACE. I'd say that's a fair trade.
Yes_hes_that_guy t1_iui8lk4 wrote
Sure but it’s just so tiny compared to the ISS and even that would take some serious mental fortitude to stay on for extended periods.
EventAccomplished976 t1_iuieu02 wrote
ISS astronauts say they often enough don‘t see their colleagues all day, and the long term crew of tiangong is just 3 instead of 7, I think they‘ll be fine :) (well and of course people who actually have issues with this sort of thing won‘t get selected to be astronauts anyway).
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Seiren- t1_iuhzyjq wrote
That’s still a solid 3-4 times as big as most students lived in during the first year of covid lockdown
Yes_hes_that_guy t1_iui8btf wrote
But they weren’t actually locked in for the most part, right?
Seiren- t1_iuivsj9 wrote
Fair enough, kinda hard to open a window and get some fresh air or take a walk around the block on a space station
Civ6Ever t1_iuhlj5m wrote
I was locked down in Shanghai for 63 days in a studio apartment. About 75m^3. I did get to go outside to test a few times a week though, so it's not the exact same, but yeah it does take a toll.
The roommates would be nice at first... then awful.
iatekane t1_iuk8vip wrote
Your 2m ceiling heights give a floor space of 55m2, that’s less than 600 square feet and I don’t know any 2 bedrooms that are that tiny, it’s a 1br apartment
With a nice view.
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Mygaffer t1_iuio83g wrote
2m would be a very low ceiling. Most places where I live require 8' at a minimum to be in code.
rpsls t1_iuhq7dc wrote
To put this in perspective, from what I’ve read a single SpaceX Starship is projected to be about 100m^2 pressurized interior space, so they’ll be launching almost an entire Chinese space station each launch.
TheBroadHorizon t1_iui0x0y wrote
Starship is actually estimated to have up to 1000m^(3) of pressurized space, or roughly the same as the interior of the ISS.
Yumewomiteru t1_iuikvmi wrote
Cheers to China for a series of successful launches, when countries all over the world are having trouble sending up payloads. Can't wait for the scientific discoveries that the space station will provide!
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Temstar t1_iuip9ep wrote
Tiangong is in fact set to host experiments from 17 countries, the results they generate will belong to both China as well as the origin nations.
Yumewomiteru t1_iuiq7r4 wrote
Only applies to the US who have explicitly banned any and all cooperation with the CNSA.
yahwol t1_iuj06k3 wrote
just like how the US doesn't share any data with China. Quid Pro No
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Yumewomiteru t1_iuj1gjy wrote
The US, India, Japan, and South Korea has had high profile launch failures this year and last, that includes SpaceX.
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Yumewomiteru t1_iuj4f29 wrote
Loss of an entire payload of satellites.
Shrike99 t1_iujfy1b wrote
>Loss of an entire payload of satellites.
That was a payload failure, not a launch failure, since the rocket delivered the satellites to exactly where it was supposed to. And they didn't lose the entire payload - 11 of those satellites are currently in operational orbits.
Starlink payload failures also aren't exactly rare - SpaceX have lost 321 to date over 64 launches, or about 5 per launch on average. If you want to consider losing some satellites to be a launch failure, then SpaceX have had 37 launch failures over the course of the Starlink program.
This would give Falcon 9 Block 5 an overall launch success rate of only 72%, making it by far the least reliable operational launch vehicle with a statistically significant number of launches - an obviously absurd claim.
You can use the aforementioned Starlink numbers to argue that SpaceX aren't very good at building reliable satellites, but by the standards used in the industry they're very good at building reliable rockets - Falcon 9 has had no launch failures in the last 6 years and 158 launches.
seanflyon t1_iuje4cc wrote
The last SpaceX (non-test) failure was in 2016 when AMOS-6 was lost before launch during a static fire. Since they retired the Falcon 1 in 2009 they have lost 2 primary payloads and delivered 1 secondary payload to the wrong orbit. They have had zero failures or partial failures in the last 100+ launches.
Yumewomiteru t1_iujf3yw wrote
Loss of 40 satellites is a pretty big failure don't you think?
seanflyon t1_iujfhiz wrote
Nothing about a launch failure in that article. Did you read it?
Yumewomiteru t1_iujio1a wrote
Launching a payload into destruction is by definition a failure, this applies to your precious SpaceX too.
seanflyon t1_iujjyqu wrote
You are the one who brought up launch failures. There were zero problems with that launch. There were problems with a majority of the payloads after launch for reasons that had nothing to do with the launch itself.
Are you just trolling here?
Clovermunch t1_iui5af8 wrote
Is virtual reality in space awesome? It seems that a haptic suit would be fairly easy to implement in weightlessness.
Grey___Goo_MH t1_iuiaudv wrote
Sweaty apes in bondage VR gear in SPACE!!!
Get your ticket now
lucid_consciousness t1_iui6qqe wrote
For anyone wondering how this compares to the ISS, the ISS has 916 cubic meters of pressurized space compared to the 110 cubic meters the TSS has.
Northwindlowlander t1_iuiqs8n wrote
Yup, it's pretty small by comparison, but then the ISS has grown- it's pretty comparable to the original Unity/Zarya/Zvezda ISS. Kibo alone is massive
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Falcon3492 t1_iuidnk3 wrote
And the spent boosters will be re entering somewhere, they don't know where.
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OldWrangler9033 t1_iui5d0z wrote
Is there no room for additional docking modules or it wasn't design to last as long?
Temstar t1_iui7gja wrote
There are in fact 3 docking ports after the two lab modules take up the berthing ports. There are plans to use the forward docking port to dock the backup Tianhe-2 core module to then allow another two lab modules in the future in a phase 2 expansion plan which will double the current size.
leojg t1_iui8got wrote
Don't they also plan to dock their space telescope for mantainance? If I understood correctly they have it orbiting on a similar path but the plan is to dock it on the station from time to time.
Temstar t1_iui968n wrote
Xuntian Space Telescope is scheduled for launch next year. Yes it will co-orbit with the station and berth to the station once in a while to be serviced by the crew, then move away to do its own observation.
I'm not sure how the docking works though. It may be that Xuntian has a regular docking port and hard docks to the station like a Shenzhou, or alternatively it may not and just have the little grab spots for the stations robotic arm to grab onto.
generallyanoaf t1_iuivy4b wrote
Are those plans looking realistic or just early proposals for now?
Temstar t1_iuix0au wrote
Well the Tianhe-2 core module is in storage and all ready to go, it was built together with Tianhe-1 as a backup should the launch go wrong and since it wasn't required it's available for whatever mission you can think of immediately.
Lab 3 and lab 4 do not exist yet, so they will need to be built first. CNSA has expressed interest that they welcome other countries if they want to be a partner and build a module of their own to attach to Tianhe-2. Many years ago Italy expressed interest and came up with a module design called HERD (High Energy cosmic-Ray Detection) but that's probably dead now.
Here's a rough idea of what phase 2 expansion will look like. Obviously lab 3 and 4 are just placeholders and clones of Mengtian and Wentian without the solar panels. Note during phase 2 expansion Tianhe-1's solar panels will be detached and moved to the end of Mengtian and Wentian.
Northwindlowlander t1_iuiro4w wrote
It's a modular station, it's basically as expandable as the ISS.
A_Vandalay t1_iui3rgg wrote
Who cares to make a bet on where the booster will renter this time.
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Yes_hes_that_guy t1_iuhghbj wrote
> In all, the station will have about 110 cubic meters (3,880 cubic feet) of pressurized interior space.
I’m not claustrophobic but I’m pretty sure I would be on that thing.