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Toadfinger t1_ixjemoy wrote

> To confirm the distance, each galaxy must be followed up with the more time-consuming spectroscopy, where the exact wavelength of each photon is measured.

To confirm what distance? The article doesn't say how many light years away.

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runningray t1_ixjs86t wrote

13.5 billion light years away. Something like 98% of the age of the universe. Like 300 million years after the universe became a thing. These galaxies are forming a bit sooner than what the current understanding allows and they are a bit more complex than what was assumed. So there is some 'splainin to do.

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Morasain t1_ixlh908 wrote

How do we know how complex they are? Even on the JWST these galaxies are tiny

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lksdjsdk t1_ixmsvqa wrote

My guess is from spectral analysis. Even from a tiny dot at huge redshift, they'd be able to tell if there is more than just hydrogen and helium.

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wupdup t1_ixkdhui wrote

It's clear there won't be any 'splainin. The understanding will simply change, with no thought to where a mistake in theory might've been made. My downvotes will confirm.

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SassalaBeav t1_ixm3mmf wrote

"Everyone disagrees with me, proving that I'm right" bizzare logic there ngl

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skasticks t1_ixkx8y9 wrote

Isn't this just science?

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wupdup t1_ixkylsh wrote

Yes, by current standards. With the assumption that early galaxies form way faster than previously thought possible, there will be 5 huge unproven assumptions to make the current model fit observations.

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Merpninja t1_ixjshkp wrote

The distance is given in the name. Z-12 means a redshift of 12, but it is a VERY rough approximation that needs to be verified or corrected based on thorough spectroscopy. z=12 is roughly 13.5 billion light years old, which based on the expansion of the universe, would mean the galaxy is actually several times more distant.

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Musicfan637 t1_ixkebkh wrote

What happens when we find a galaxy older than our current understanding? I’m betting on it.

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Bensemus t1_ixkjx53 wrote

The CMB is the oldest light in the universe. It’s too red shifted for Webb to see. Webb can’t find galaxies older than the CMB.

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Musicfan637 t1_ixkkp8p wrote

Aren’t these new oldest galaxies too advanced to be formed 300 mya?

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Bensemus t1_ixp5fol wrote

No as they did form. We still don’t know a lot about galaxy formation. Now that we can see very young galaxies we can refine our models to better explain how galaxies form and evolve.

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Zenguro t1_ixkzpln wrote

My thinkin as well, there is a huge piece of the puzzle we don't see yet.

I got the strange feeling something similar like the quantum/relativity theory will be found that will explain better the expansion of the universe (incl. dark matter), what we call "the big bang", and the findings of Webb.

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Klondike2022 t1_ixl3py6 wrote

Crazy to think just the Milky Way, if you flew a spaceship across it for the entirety of mankind, you’d be about half way there. This farthest galaxy is 1-2 micrometers

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JustAPerspective t1_ixjw4ie wrote

Why is progress being attributed to the tool rather than the people who used it?

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xmilehighgamingx t1_ixkkgxo wrote

If you ask me it’s a clever pr campaign, building a cult of personality around a telescope. Lol more realistically though a lot of people do a lot of stuff on the big science projects. Webb is an easier headline, kinda like Hubble rather than which ever list of university departments are cooperating for this particular project.

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Fernelz t1_ixqeb74 wrote

It also makes it easier to get the next telescope paid for when you can show everything it's done and how the country thinks about it.

I do agree though that more credit should be given to the scientists themselves

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JustAPerspective t1_ixr4fj6 wrote

So if they don't brag, no one will value their work?

Funny ol' world we got here.

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