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calcteacher t1_j25h9p1 wrote

Reply to comment by tzaeru in What is your opinion on Carl Sagan? by yciqn

May I ask you if you've published anything yourself? Do you know what it takes? Do you know how easy it is to be added on to someone else's research when you're popular? May I ask what you know about scientific publication and how it works?

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Belostoma t1_j25nki0 wrote

>Do you know how easy it is to be added on to someone else's research when you're popular? May I ask what you know about scientific publication and how it works?

Why are you asking these stupid questions of /u/tzaeru, when I already showed you that Sagan had many top-notch, original research publications that were both first-authored and published before he was famous? He wasn't just getting added onto somebody else's work. I don't see what you're trying to accomplish with this bullshit.

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tzaeru t1_j25omai wrote

> May I ask you if you've published anything yourself?

Sure! I haven't.

> Do you know what it takes?

I have an idea yes.

> Do you know how easy it is to be added on to someone else's research when you're popular?

Sure, but Carl Sagan has been listed as an author in a decent pile of papers even before he was very famous.

There's also original research he's headed. Most notably to the atmospheric compositions and surface temperatures on other planets and moons.

> May I ask what you know about scientific publication and how it works?

I know the basics of the process! I'm not a researcher, but I've studied in universities and have many researcher friends and colleagues.

Universities, since I stopped computer science studies early on when I got employed, but have been studying up on some statistics and social sciences in another city later on.

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calcteacher t1_j2b3ce9 wrote

I know the basics of the process! I'm not a researcher, but I've studied in universities and have many researcher friends and colleagues.

haha ha

you know nothing of the process? I have friends?

please

until your name goes on the author line, you know nothing. IMHO

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tzaeru t1_j2b3wbh wrote

Ok. I don't think you're discussing in good faith here.

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calcteacher t1_j2b3jjx wrote

>Sure, but Carl Sagan has been listed as an author in a decent pile of papers even before he was very famous.

sure?

you know nothing my friend, until your name appears in the author line. Amirite?

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tzaeru t1_j2dsa51 wrote

You should rely on facts, rather than petty insults.

Here this very matter is discussed: https://www.jneurosci.org/content/36/7/2077

>Sagan's biographers have argued that the Academy's rejection of Sagan, and Harvard's prior denial of his tenure, were the direct consequence of the phenomenon that has become known as the “Sagan Effect”: the perception that popular, visible scientists are worse academics than those scientists who do not engage in public discourse. Yet, later analyses of Sagan's output have indicated that his academic contributions compared favorably to those of other Academy members

You may want to read about the "Carl Sagan effect".

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