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CrayonDelicacies t1_j2bvm4j wrote

I’ve been reading the expanse series and I’m a water treatment operator. This has raised my eyebrows a bit. If you’re talking about something like space station or asteroid located bases, the loss would occur through “gas-off” in a way. Gas-off is what we refer to as certain compounds going volatile and dissipating. You might be looking at something along the lines of steam escaping from somewhere. Rocket scientists probably have a different term.

Water should be nearly infinitely recyclable. But clean water? That’s the challenge.

Y’all can look up the Sparta Reuse Facility in West Monroe Louisiana. I used to work for the city, albeit on the other end of the water system producing fresh water. The SRF takes raw sewage, run off, storm water, all the dirty stuff, and processes it into clean water used in local industry. It is “potable”. Tastes like crap, but you can drink it. The point behind the project was to take some of the burden off the Sparta Aquifer here in Louisiana, and it’s done a phenomenal job.

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sterexx t1_j2cd3dd wrote

That’s so awesome

I really enjoyed the tour of this water treatment plant in SF. It doesn’t make potable water, but the effluent looked quite nice compared to what was coming in! Stuff filtered out does get composted, so it’s still producing something useful

My (least?) favorite part though was this image with terrible implications. We’re in this huge room with big pools of sewage where they’re letting solids settle to the bottom and oils to the top. And mounted on the walls are a bunch of life preservers.

The thought still makes me shudder

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CrayonDelicacies t1_j2dzdap wrote

You can’t swim in aerated water and I’m sure there was aeration in progress nearby. The solids and FOG (fats, oils, and grease) present their own hazards too. I’ve been dunked a time or three myself. To say it’s unpleasant is an understatement. I fell into a wet well once, and as if bouncing off an iron pipe and smacking the surface of the grease cap weren’t bad enough, getting back up through the grease cap with two broken ribs, a concussion and the resulting disorientation were even worse. That day I decided that fall harnesses were my best friend. Sometimes a grease cap can be thick enough to walk on.

The plant that I run now produces potable quality water. It’s considered non potable because of the source and because the quality simply isn’t as reliable as something like the Sparta facility or whatever system they’d be using in SF. I’m running a low tech system that only processes a few hundred gallons per day. With a bad weather upset I could end up discharging some pretty gross stuff, then I have to get the health department involved, environmental impact studies, get in some trouble, get fines levied against my company and it could have a big negative impact on nearby communities if it goes uncorrected. For obvious reasons, I try to avoid that. My old plant processed 3 million GPD, and I think the Sparta plant is designed for a 10 million GPD max capacity and I don’t believe it’s ever had to run at max capacity. It was built with the prospect of expansion in population. Large plants are MUCH more labor and energy intensive, but also more reliable. In very simple terms, the much larger volume acts as a bit of a shock absorber when something happens. Like if some jerk decides to dump a bucket of bleach or car wash soap in one of my manholes, I’ll have to take my plant offline, have it pumped out, go get some activated sludge from a friend at another plant and start from scratch. If that happened at the Sparta, they wouldn’t even notice it.

But the whole point here is, water is recyclable, especially if we make sure our waste is “clean”, as in chemical free, trash free. Only thing that should ever go down a sewer line besides water, is the four P’s: poop, pee, puke and paper. In a closed system such as maybe a space station, the biggest obstacle I’d see right away is the equipment. You’d need a way to dewater and disinfect the waste. I’d personally advocate a dewatering press and UV system, but doing that in zero or micro G would require some extensive modifications. The most economical way with the tech we have now is to resupply fresh water and vent the waste. Someone else mentioned there’s plenty of ice floating around out there. I wonder how space ice would taste?

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Psychological_Wheel2 OP t1_j2bwd8b wrote

I do have another question, why is it so difficult to clean water

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BigNorseWolf t1_j2bxwb7 wrote

Our usual solution to clean anything is to dilute it. IE add more water to it so the parts per million of the dirty thing drops. If you're trying to do anything else the processes are a LOT more energy/resource intensive.

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Psychological_Wheel2 OP t1_j2by770 wrote

So it’s like pouring 100 gallons of fresh water into 1 gallon of salt water

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BigNorseWolf t1_j2byobi wrote

Eyup. You could probably drink the resulting mix but increasing your supply of drinkable water by 1% isn't much of a solution. Literally.

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CrayonDelicacies t1_j2c5df4 wrote

It’s about scale and expense more than anything. The more you need to clean, the more difficult and expensive it is. The source quality will make a difference too. I treat mostly ground water, it’s about the easiest and cheapest. Most expensive part is the electricity to run the pumps. Then there’s desalinization, reverse osmosis, surface water treatment too.

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