Submitted by PrincessBananas85 t3_111wapf in sports
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LesbianCommander t1_j8iwhnc wrote
It's crazy. I've lived in the States, Canada, China and Japan in my life. Gun violence or mass shootings results in national or at least regional mourning.
But we're so used to it, even 2 days for people to grieve, or even just calming down, is too long for some people.
It's not normal in a lot of the world. But if America is all you know, you're the frog in the pot of increasingly boiling water. It's really depressing.
sloppymcgee t1_j8jam46 wrote
Uvalde showed me that we are extremely far from a solution. It seemed like after the slaughter of 19 elementary school kids and two teachers, Texas grew stronger in their support of gun rights. Some states are absolutely out of their minds when it comes to their right to bear arms. Those poor kids died in vain
Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8juk2e wrote
It's interesting you brought up Uvalde. My earliest memory of a mass shooting was Columbine in 1999
then there were a string of them, so many of them at this point that I've forgotten. I know there was Virginia Tech, and then Rep. Giffords getting shot in the head, and the Aurora Movie Theater and many more...but the one that really stood out to me was Sandy Hook in 2012, because of the young age of those poor kids who lost their lives that day because of some fucking ugly bloated-face moron with a bowl cut.
but then nothing happened. If anything, the pro-gun whackjobs got even more embedded and defensive in government. That's when I realized if people don't care about protecting kindergarteners, then they're never going to care
CarlThe94Pathfinder t1_j8kadyg wrote
#but then nothing happened
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Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8iyiw8 wrote
I was in South Korea about 9 years ago and all the people there asked me why this shit keeps happening in the U.S. I just shook my head and told them I had no clue and I am doubtful anything will ever change here
i just hope that my nephews can go to school safely and never have to be put in a situation where they could die over something as stupid as this. that's what really bothers me...just the absolute wasted life and people don't seem to care at all
Catch11 t1_j8lob2m wrote
It only happens in low population density areas, among people who are isolated. There have been essentially no mass shootings done by people who live in highly populated areas. It's some sort of trend among extremely lonely and mentally ill people in the USA
Sub7Agent t1_j8jaehn wrote
It's the lack of communal bonds and disregard for fellow humans as well as our multicultural background and Marxist agendas pitting different groups of people against each other. Also sexual deprivation/porn and incel ideologies.
losprimera t1_j8kb268 wrote
thats quite a shotgun blast of theories youve got there.
Sub7Agent t1_j8kgxlv wrote
Pretty obvious. The majority of mass shootings are either social outcasts, incels or culturally motivated (excluding gang shootings which are ignored anyway).
losprimera t1_j8mhme1 wrote
correlation is not causation. For example, even if majority of shooters are all the things you claimed, consider their representative significance: if for each loner/incel/whatever there is one shooter, then there is singificant correlation. I doubt anyone has data to support a claim like this. How does one measure and define an incel in a way that is statistically relevant anyway? yea i dont know. cuz if its 1 shooter/10000 loner/incel/whatever, then its a somewhat weak correlation. For example, US national homicide rate is 6.5/100,000 people.
This is also not necessarily causation, e.g. did they become shooters BECAUSE of those mentioned factors? Because if everyone somewhat fits those descriptions (and they do. sexual activity and marriage rates are generally on the decline. The US dept of Health and Human Services do track some of that data.) then there is weak reason to presuppose causation beyond a simple observation that both are on the increase and bears monitoring.
Edit: This is actually a good thread ill be sure to use in classroom instruction.
Sub7Agent t1_j8ng7f1 wrote
It's not rocket science.
How many female school shooters do you know?
losprimera t1_j8qewj2 wrote
It's not rocket science, but claims must still be substantiated by science. And that means using scientific methodologies. Your article brings up interesting points, but ultimately fails cite anything more than conjecture. That is expected of a non-academic piece of writing, but it holds little persuasive power. Obviously there must be hard data pointing towards your claim, but until you and I both know it, claims of any sort are rather pointless. Surely you see the logic here?
Edit: violent crime is predominantly men because males exhibit more violent tendencies at the extreme percentiles than women. That is to say, if one witnesses a violent crime, it's more than likely perpetrated by a man. So if extreme violence tends to be committed by a male, then all the more so for mass shootings. What even is the argument here?
SpankMyButt t1_j8kzltz wrote
Sure, this is dumb as f***
Sub7Agent t1_j8lhohq wrote
The guns aren't shooting people on their own. What do you think is motivating people to kill others?
SpankMyButt t1_j8luycw wrote
People have been killing people in cruel and pointless ways since the dawn of time. But this is American exceptionalism, in no other "western" county is there a similar situation. Why? I don't know but the access to guns is exceptionally easy in the US.
Sub7Agent t1_j8mg657 wrote
Why is being a Western country important if you believe culture is insignificant?
SpankMyButt t1_j8mi92y wrote
I don't remember saying it's insignificant. Please point to where I have written that.
lilwanna t1_j8j647n wrote
I work in student housing around the MSU campus area and my company said to handle today “business as usual”. Blew my mind.
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Look_to_the_Stars t1_j8ivenf wrote
In your opinion how long should they postpone events?
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Grand-Assistance-339 t1_j8jr4f9 wrote
Rest of the year. Everyone gets a 4.0
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OrdinaryNail417 t1_j8kumsa wrote
Actually for now, classes don’t start up until next Monday but I agree that’s still not enough time
long_live_cole t1_j8kecv5 wrote
Why does this keep happening to us? We've tried nothing, and are all out of ideas!
garry4321 t1_j8j5nei wrote
Well when its something as serious as *checks note* College Sports, you gotta get back to it!
Seriously, the US has an unhealthy attachment to youth/Y.A. sports.
Edit: sorry to upset the US folks. You are right, it IS more important than healthcare and education, MY BAD.
marklondon66 t1_j8oyggp wrote
Yep!
krashlia t1_j8i4xsa wrote
You might have a point if its long guns. But, if it was a handgun, you're probably out of your depth.
marklondon66 t1_j8i5tk1 wrote
I can't even parse that. So, these people should be mourned less because it was a handgun vs an AR? My comment was about how the machine of commerce (in this case NCAA Men's Basketball) cannot be stopped for more than 2 freaking days for 3 people dead.
That's the money in this case.
Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8iarfk wrote
i admire your restraint, but don't even bother anymore discussing shit with these idiots. we can't even grieve anymore without some stupid jackass trying to gatekeep about firearms
krashlia t1_j8icis5 wrote
You let me speak for myself. And do not bemoan problems you don't want answers for.
Gnomelander t1_j8ij2z8 wrote
No one is speaking for you, they're just telling you your take is dumb
tdogg241 t1_j8iodjn wrote
Lol, you go around telling others "you're probably out of your depth" and you insist we let you speak for yourself? What a deluded self-righteous chud.
Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8ixlkr wrote
that's how it almost always is with these knuckleheads. they demand we treat them with kid gloves while they can go and be nasty toward everyone else. they were likely spoiled as kids, what can you do?
CarlThe94Pathfinder t1_j8kaqr1 wrote
Main Character Syndrome
Primorph t1_j8ihmcb wrote
Guaranteed that guy has one line “you’re out of your depth”, that he posts into every gun conversation regardless of context
You can tell because it makes no sense in this context
How dumb do you have to be to contradict a gun control argument that nobody has made yet
krashlia t1_j8icaso wrote
"So, these people should be mourned less because it was a handgun vs an AR?"
Thats not what I said.
What I was saying was, that the causes of their deaths -- the gun involved and how the shooter got it -- might not be easy to figure out and solve. And preventing future murders like those might not be as simple as "pass law for less guns" or "its The gun lobby's problem".
robspeaks t1_j8iik3a wrote
Nobody cares about the nuances of your stupidity.
Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8ikhus wrote
i'm glad others are jumping in here. i really don't have the desire or energy to deal with these morons anymore
Far_Confusion_2178 t1_j8iicc5 wrote
How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after
And the UK? They did the same after a mass shooting. No issues after that.
But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average? We can’t even bring up a gun ban lol
Gnomelander t1_j8ij7le wrote
Well see these guys a couple hundred years ago said...
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krashlia t1_j8imrqu wrote
You trivialize the Law of the Nation a bit too much, by assuming its silly due to being long lived or old.
I suppose lots of things are irrelevant and foolish because they're old, but thats not a game anyone wants to play.
Remember, "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." You're free to speak without being arrested, Cops shouldn't have the right to just take your stuff, that you shouldn't be imprisoned and sentenced without a trial nor forced to incriminate yourself in a criminal trial nor go without a defensive attorney, and that its possible for later amendments to be drafted and ratified. And what "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy (or complain about the government abusing).
Gnomelander t1_j8iuchl wrote
My point was that the excuse used to delay or prevent gun control is that the founders intended the amendment so it can't be changed. Which is stupid considering it's called the 2nd... Amendment
CarlThe94Pathfinder t1_j8kb4e7 wrote
These guys a couple of hundred years ago also advocated for slavery and women not being allowed to vote or own property. You're not making a good point here
krashlia t1_j8ku5zw wrote
"these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy.
Thats what I said.
Not, "They're ever writ and word was good".
krashlia t1_j8ikp2a wrote
"How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after"
Shootings in Austrailia were on a decline when that law was passed. But, even then, they've had a few, actually.
Also, the former British colony just didn't have the same style of government or gun rights the US does, so doesn't face the same complication. Not that much of the US would allow it, even if the government was structured differently.
"But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average?"
And you'll never get around to solving for that, because you're largely ignorant to how which guns get into what mass shooters hands in the first place.
I doubt one even knows what the average mass shooting looks like, and simply lazily imagines its Fat Cletus getting his AR-15 today, so he could use it on the local school tomorrow. I was surprised to discover that this wasn't true.
Far_Confusion_2178 t1_j8imrub wrote
I’m pretty sure it’s mainly handguns used, that’s always been the case. If you’re surprised that’s on you. I’ve been paying attention for a few years so I’ve seen it
I’m not talking about the former British colonies, that’s not relevant to modern times imo and no excuse. We’ve solved issues like slavery, voting rights, etc. guess what? Things can change in 200+ years.
Britains gun ban was after a school shooting in 1996
Australia fun violence was on the decline anyway? They passed that law after their FIRST mass shooting lol. No one’s passing laws like “oh this isn’t a problem and it seems to be going away on its own. We should probably pass a law about it just cuz”
Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools? We all saw Uvalde so fuck that
krashlia t1_j8ipka8 wrote
"Things can change in 200+ years."
Well, its too bad that this thing didn't change in your favor. (Also, Slavery? Voting Rights? Those were charactarized by a legalized rights deprivation, not by formally recognized criminals screwing things up for everyone)
Sorry, the gun lobby exists because the demand for guns is rather high, not because congress is so sweet on them. And its gotten higher across all demographics since 2020.
Btw, I remember being told the Republicans would support bans if they saw Black people getting more guns. But thats failed to materialize.
Now, we could look into why people aren't disarming, but... Nah, contempt for the population, or just assuming Australia and the US are alike, is easier.
"Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools?"
Just because Uvalde screwed up, doesn't mean its a bad idea, under circumstances where they're not being led by an idiot. As evidenced by the fact that one guy killed the shooter because he wasnt being hobbled by some moron chief.
Anyways... How about 10 year sentences for any violation, hole punches in drivers licenses, and system meant to catch out liars and proxy buyers before they can become trouble?
SonOfRobot8 t1_j8irf32 wrote
The solution certainly isn’t getting rid of guns, the bad guys are gonna get them regardless. And if you wouldn’t have police officers in school cause they fail to protect the public, you want to take my ability to defend myself away from me? Fuck out of here with that.
The major issue comes down to 2 things. Police funding and mental health.
People are constantly spewing bullshit about how the police need to be defunded, but when shit like this happens who do that go crawling back to? The fucking cops… you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
We need to increase funding to the police departments so they can have better training, more equipment (more variety of equipment. Ie more less than lethal options as well as more effective/efficient ways of de-escalation), and the incentive to have better (in terms of morals and role models to the public) people in these positions of authority.
I live less than a mile from where the shootings were happening on campus and had my gun loaded next to me the entire night until it came over the police scanners that the suspect had killed himself.
And yes to answer your question about more guns. Had some or all of the students involved had guns there likely wouldn’t be as many people injured. I’m not saying everyone should have a gun but an armed society makes a polite society.
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afewgoodmenace t1_j8j3bi2 wrote
I’m a student here. Headlines keep coming up since early this morning with each new “update” on the situation, but try to remember that’s not the final action the university here may take. They initially canceled classes for 48 hours as an emergency order and announced this morning that classes are canceled for the remainder of the week.
lovepony0201 t1_j8iyb99 wrote
Is that how long it takes for thoughts and prayers to work?
[deleted] t1_j8ld52e wrote
Yeah usually around a 24-48 hour turnaround time. Sometimes the thoughts and prayers department processes these requests slower
earthtonemalone t1_j8jbfo5 wrote
Just start making the #spartanstrong tshirts and stickers and we’ll all move along in just another day in America. /s
Lvwr87 t1_j8lf1sd wrote
Husker nation gots your back during your time of darkness. Tonight we are all spartans.
Salmol1na t1_j8m9tte wrote
*next two nights
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Stiiiiig t1_j8kb09u wrote
Murica
Nek0Neko t1_j8kpqzd wrote
At least they got to live the American dream, being part of holding up someone’s 2nd Amendment Right. The right to go absolutely batshit insane at any moment, what a country.
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rouge171 t1_j8j1vix wrote
wow, a WHOLE 48 hours! That should solve everything Skipper
Echo127 t1_j8k988a wrote
I think y'all are chasing a red herring. There is no magic length of time that makes things better.
jellyvish t1_j8h4ptx wrote
bc 36 is not enough and 60 is too much
Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8iasui wrote
thanks for your incredible insight
MyUltIsRightHere t1_j8knfac wrote
This is just the beginning. Probably gonna be more cancelled but that’s not official yet
bendbarrel t1_j8iip0b wrote
It’s bad when a deranged shooter can obtain the power to cancel athletic events for 48 hours. Reactions can sometimes cause people to make decisions that are not necessarily related to the crime.
Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8imeo4 wrote
College basketball can wait. it's really not that important
Look_to_the_Stars t1_j8ivici wrote
Wait for what?
EDIT: y’all can downvote all you want, but no one can give me an answer? What does basketball have to wait for? For people to forget the shooting happened? For an arbitrary amount of time decided by reddit users?
BugEyedLemur t1_j8jwr63 wrote
Did the thought ever occur to you that the students who died may have been friends with the student-athletes or even involved with the teams? An entire community was just fucking shot up for no reason, but yea, basketball within that community shouldn't wait because shootings and basketball aren't directly related.
Give people time to grieve and process what the hell just happened. It could've been anyone who died, including the athletes on the basketball team. For fucks sake, they may have been present when it was all going down. Can't believe this needs to be explained to anyone at this point. Oh wait, yea I can, because stupidity and lack of empathy seemingly run rampant and parallel these days.
Look_to_the_Stars t1_j8jxq1f wrote
So how long is that? Who decides that? Two days is way too short but a week is long enough? Two weeks? The rest of the year? Should MSU cancel ALL events for as long as some Reddit user thinks is long enough?
Also the fact that you can’t even type one paragraph without cursing like a middle schooler says more about you than anything.
BugEyedLemur t1_j8k0sk7 wrote
Lol what exactly does cursing say about me? I like to swear when I'm impassioned? Please elaborate.
Now, concerning your questions, these time frames should be decided by those who are impacted by the event. When the students feel ready to go back, they are ready to go back. Polling is huge in these types of scenarios. Grief counselors work with students and also work directly with crisis management teams to make these types of decisions alongside school boards. All of the data that is amassed regarding the student bodies' mental health status is analyzed, then a decision is made by these bodies. There is no standard for these types of events because they are so dynamic. Information and data will help make the decision which will leave some people happy and some not. You cannot please everyone.
All that said, sports can wait a bit while the people in charge can navigate the best way to approach this.
For good measure: fuck.
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Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8l13l7 wrote
Just a heads up, Reddit downvotes dont have any real world value so trying to act all badass about it, impresses nobody
elginx t1_j8jdq07 wrote
Thoughts and prayers
/s
JodoKaast t1_j8ip3gw wrote
It is bad! I assume you support strict gun control laws to combat this, right?
bendbarrel t1_j8j2333 wrote
I have never seen a gun kill anyone!
fzkiz t1_j8j6aub wrote
Just like nukes have never killed anyone themselves, they should have allowed people to have those too
bendbarrel t1_j8j7p4i wrote
When used in a proper and safe way they are safe.
marklondon66 t1_j8i3krn wrote
A whole 2 days.
We are so fucked as a country rn when it comes to money vs gun violence.