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WTFNSFWFTW t1_jce1xru wrote

Did Miller bring them their guns?

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HeyItsBearald t1_jcfh6fo wrote

Remember folks, if you are important enough to a rich enterprise, you go from a suspect or accomplice, to a cooperating witness

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interstat t1_jci0j2n wrote

im now confused. Did miller give his own gun to someone else and they used millers gun to kill someone?

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isnt that a crime?

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dangleicious13 t1_jctbcnl wrote

>Did miller give his own gun to someone else and they used millers gun to kill someone?

No

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interstat t1_jcurocx wrote

im confused what happened then

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dangleicious13 t1_jcuu2z1 wrote

Here's the full timeline: https://patch.com/alabama/tuscaloosa/new-evidence-provides-compelling-account-bama-hoops-murder-case

A group of them went to a bar/club. The place didn't allow guns inside or had a metal detector so the owner of the gun left it in the car. Miller was the DD, and he didn't want to wait a long time in line to get in, so he left and went to a nearby restaurant. Later that night, Miles sent multiple texts to Miller that they were ready to leave and if he could come pick them up. While on the way to pick them up, Miller gets a text from Miles asking if he could bring the guy's gun because things were getting a little feisty (this was right before Miller got to the location and Miller never responded to the text, so we don't even know if he saw it before he arrived). Miller really had nothing to do with anything outside of drive the car to pick them up. The guy just happened to leave his gun in the back seat of Miller's car. Miles also had very little to do with it, and was seen on camera trying to calm the situation down several times.

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interstat t1_jcuucrh wrote

Thanks for the rundown

That makes a lot of sense then that miller is playing and not in jail or something.

Hell it would have been bad if he had tried to keep the gun not returning it

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dangleicious13 t1_jcuv5xk wrote

And his goal wasn't even to return the gun. He was just going to pick them up because he was their ride. Just sucks that the Jeep with the victim and her boyfriend (who had a gun and potentially fired first) pulled up beside them right after Miller arrived.

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Thick_women_are_Life t1_jcfhzue wrote

If someone tells you to bring a gun and you do it... then someone dies from the gun you provided... you should also be held liable.

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Gaping_Ass_Wound t1_jcfmu8h wrote

What if someone tells you to bring them their car then they drive someone over? Just playing devil's advocate but where do you draw the line?

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EarthDwellr t1_jcfo4qf wrote

I think because a gun is used with the intention to shoot people where a car is intended for transportation.

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LazyLarryTheLobster t1_jcgw1ca wrote

>I think because a gun is used with the intention to shoot people

No. The large majority of guns will never be intended to shoot a person in their existence.

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beyardo t1_jch6i9p wrote

I would debate that. If you’re buying a gun for self-defense, it’s with the intention to shoot another human being. You may never end up using it for that, but that’s not the same thing. You’re not buying a Glock to shoot deer

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LazyLarryTheLobster t1_jchpec0 wrote

"used with the intention to shoot people" was the line. Buying a gun is not using a gun.

You're trying to be pedantic about it but it doesn't even fit literally.

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beyardo t1_jchr9h0 wrote

I’m not the person who said that but the distinction is pretty clear. I’m not saying the kid should be legally liable for someone’s deaths or anything but if you really can’t acknowledge the distinction between a weapon and a vehicle then idk what to tell you

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LazyLarryTheLobster t1_jchrpvt wrote

lmfao you could try telling me said relevant distinction

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beyardo t1_jcitg8p wrote

Their primary intended purpose? If someone asks me to bring them something of theirs, it’s a fair assumption that they’re planning or considering using that thing. And since he didn’t ask the kid to bring his gun to him at a gun range, it’s not a big jump to realize that there is at least a risk that he’s going to be using it on someone or something. If someone asks me to bring them their car, ignoring the logistical challenges, then I’d assume they intend to use it for transportation. So unless they ask me to bring it to them in front of a bank mid-robbery, I should be able to reasonably say that they probably don’t intent to do anything potentially injurious

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LazyLarryTheLobster t1_jcitrfe wrote

>Their primary intended purpose? If someone asks me to bring them something of theirs, it’s a fair assumption that they’re planning or considering using that thing.

Agreed, target practice.

>And since he didn’t ask the kid to bring his gun to him at a gun range

lmao

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beyardo t1_jciukv5 wrote

Target practice is not grounds for an urgent request to bring someone a firearm in the wee hours of the morning. Again, from a legal standpoint, sure he had plausible deniability. But if he thought that they were asking for the gun just for funsies, that’s just willful ignorance

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LazyLarryTheLobster t1_jciv5ls wrote

>Target practice is not grounds for an urgent request to bring someone a firearm in the wee hours of the morning.

Says... you? Mr. Almighty urgent request authority lmfao

Thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

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beyardo t1_jciw6at wrote

Says common sense. They weren’t out in the middle of nowhere, they were in downtown Tuscaloosa. Other than a firing range there is no place in the city where the gun can be lawfully discharged.

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LazyLarryTheLobster t1_jciy6xt wrote

Let me guess, common sense is also how you jumped to remaining in the city lmao

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beyardo t1_jciz0vq wrote

“Hey man, bring me my gun. Me and my buddy are gonna walk 5+ miles to outside the city limits at 2 in the morning to find a safe spot for some target practice and then walk back” really seems something that seems plausible?

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tragically_square t1_jcfotg9 wrote

There is definitely a grey area. In your scenario I would say the purpose of the "instrument" matters. A car is typically used for transportation and unless they've indicated what is for the assumption is it will be used that way. A gun has a very limited specific purpose, and someone asking for yours should be a red flag.

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doc_1eye t1_jcf7smo wrote

If only Jamea Harris could walk around with a security guard

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Ittarmi t1_jceapuw wrote

guns are designed to end someone's existence

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roryisawesome2 t1_jcf6ohp wrote

Which is exactly why he returned the gun that was left in his possession

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8_god t1_jcg0u5z wrote

Don’t care!

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Seanbig888 t1_jcpig3u wrote

Future grizzlies draft pick - will fit with gun culture ja moron

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msihcs t1_jcfw5x0 wrote

This is all about publicity for Miller, and everyone is just spreading the shit everywhere.

If I'm getting death threats, I'm not hiring security so I can be seen at a basketball game. I'm staying home. But, I'm not an idiot. So there's that.

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