Submitted by PrincessBananas85 t3_124p5um in sports
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MacSingleton t1_je0r04t wrote
Sport should be about tearing down walls, not putting up fences.
doctorwhy88 t1_je0wn0a wrote
The sword once drawn, full justice must be done.
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sharkutterzero t1_je1b4we wrote
some context: currently a lot of global fencing is run by ex-Soviet fencers who fled for one reason or another. so already, there is not much love for Russia in the sport outside of Russia. Ukraine in particular is a cornerstone of the sport having many of the best forges historically, and a huge number of fencers come out of the country. So there is a lot of pro-Ukraine attitude in the sport. Even some Russians who have fenced recently for ROC, have since left the country and spoke out against Ukraine.
however, Russia also is a huge monetary influence in fencing, with an oligarch having run the FIE for the past decade basically out of pocket. this is why the decisions made by the board don't necessarily reflect the attitudes of fencers.
Bigworm4444 t1_je1mil2 wrote
I just feel bad for the Russian athletes, all that training and not getting to participate.
mikedarling905 t1_je1oext wrote
meh i dont care if they compete or not. i live in canada if they do or not does not hinder or make my life better. so i dont see a problem, not that my opinion would matter since i live in canada.
GonnaGoFar t1_je2574o wrote
I feel bad for all the Ukrainians dying in a war largely cheered on by Russian athletes.
ggigfad5 t1_je25q62 wrote
I don’t. Whether we like it or not sports and the athletes competing in them are used as nationalist propaganda when representing their country.
ggigfad5 t1_je25t96 wrote
You are right - your opinion doesn’t matter so why are you sharing it?
On a separate note - the overall theme of your post leaves me thinking that you are a very selfish person.
SheepishSheepness t1_je2cb7y wrote
Bigworm4444 t1_je2fi7z wrote
You know this as fact? So they are going out of their way to stop training to go ROFL at all of the dead people…. You’re sick🤢
Dave-Schultz t1_je2jj3o wrote
Well, none of our opinions actually matter in this context. Your opinion means just as little as his or mine. So why are you sharing it?
GonnaGoFar t1_je2jl8j wrote
Bigworm4444 t1_je2khxv wrote
Do you know why both sides hate each other? I see the kid repping a “Z”… someone from the other side could have harmed his family in the past. Also is this for every sport? I don’t know the whole picture so I can’t really make an uninformed decision based on what the media provides me 😊
janroney t1_je2ngk7 wrote
Not to mention a lot of Russian athletes and citizens choose to listen to state propaganda. Like Alex Ovechkin in the NHL. Fuck that guy.
ggigfad5 t1_je2tpy3 wrote
Lol - what even is this response David? Why bother?
H0vis t1_je39clw wrote
Is it weird that I hoped they all signed by carving their initials with the point of their swords on a convenient surface?
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covano32 t1_je3e3jf wrote
Dont waste your time on these people. Nuanced geopolitical discussions arent in the cards for them. They get their world view from the news and know nothing about the world
covano32 t1_je3f42l wrote
Says a guy who listens to western propoganda lmfao
Jonsj t1_je3hd8b wrote
How hard is it to recognize the aggressor in this war?
janroney t1_je3i9q9 wrote
At least the propaganda I listen to isn't killing people
cavecricket49 t1_je3klhe wrote
Way to write off anything that clashes with your perceived reality as "propaganda" lmfao
stlmick t1_je3lscl wrote
I think if your statement said "additionally", "still" or "also" instead of "just", it would be defendable.
kodaiko_650 t1_je3ptx1 wrote
Maybe they can collectively build a fence to keep the Russians out
Canuck_Lives_Matter t1_je3tvr5 wrote
Hoser Ayn Rand over here making friends.
covano32 t1_je3ys67 wrote
Literally what you just did lmao
covano32 t1_je3yz2z wrote
Yeah okay. America is a nice country that doesnt get involved in every other nation overseas! Including Ukraine where we overthrew their government and put in a friendly government less than 10 years ago. You don't even know what is happening little buddy. Its a complicated matter.
cavecricket49 t1_je3z6eu wrote
Now you're just being delusional, this is the first time I've stumbled onto this topic. Also, please elaborate on "western propaganda"? Do you subscribe to the narrative that somehow Russia is "rescuing" Ukrainian children and that labeling the perpetrators as criminal is incorrect?
H-DaneelOlivaw t1_je404f5 wrote
I think you are referring to a different type of fencers
kodaiko_650 t1_je409cv wrote
Well, they ARE Olympic class fencers. Their fences are probably really hard to get through.
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Previous_Maximum_962 t1_je40xuj wrote
Will need more than a fence to keep them out, but glad for their support.
covano32 t1_je41iyy wrote
Lol if you haven't figured out the western media is just propoganda then I cant help you. I subscribe to the narrative of the truth. Like i said, if you know you know. Eastern Ukraine didnt like that we overthrew their government, they didnt recognize the new Government (Zelensky), so he persecutes them for political reasons. Believe what you want though honestly. The world is going to burn soon anyways. And I cant wait. You deserve it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/greekcitytimes.com/2022/02/15/donetsk-greek-ukrainian-soldiers/%3famp
There is your team of good guys.
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krtshv t1_je4koaa wrote
Because a country invading another country and committing war crimes in the 4 digits is somehow "nuanced".
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janroney t1_je4mv65 wrote
And if they didn't get involved more people would die. But you keep studying cuz you're killing it out there!
LittleLight85 t1_je4p71a wrote
Propaganda isn’t “anything I disagree with ideologically”. It has a meaning. And Russia engages in it egregiously at a state level.
Bigworm4444 t1_je4y45i wrote
Nope only the Athletes not getting to participate in any sports, no need to defend
Bigworm4444 t1_je4yklj wrote
Is everything they are saying true? People just like the underdog even though they aren’t innocent 😇
Bigworm4444 t1_je4yugu wrote
💯 they would be rooting for Russia if it were flipped 🤣
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Dave-Schultz t1_je535l6 wrote
ggigfad5 t1_je551g7 wrote
Your response is nonsensical.
Dave-Schultz t1_je555eb wrote
Why? Care to elaborate?
cavecricket49 t1_je5czas wrote
> if you know you know
In your case, it's just cope homeboy.
> he persecutes them for political reasons
Damn, is that what you kiddos call it? Talk about a persecution complex lmfao you guys will try to spin anything (Such as invading another country) as making Russia the victims. Wake buddy, you're just a bunch of pricks. Seriously, you cry, bitch, and moan about "oh world is gonna burn" while playing with matches, did you break all the mirrors in a ten kilometer radius just to avoid confronting your own hypocrisy? Sit down, boy.
romansparta99 t1_je5ehtg wrote
It’s totally Ukraine’s fault they got invaded, they should’ve just behaved and let Russia take over their country! /s
Unfortunately not everyone is as spineless as you
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ggigfad5 t1_je5sa59 wrote
To elaborate on why your “what?” makes no sense. Lol.
You are being an intentional idiot here.
Dave-Schultz t1_je5slaw wrote
What are you even arguing here.
ggigfad5 t1_je5uix5 wrote
I'm not arguing at all David. Not every interaction on the internet is an argument.
Dave-Schultz t1_je5vtag wrote
Well you seem to be trying to make a point, but it’s not coming through. You’ve decided to call me an idiot for asking the simple question “what?”. It’s clear you are emotionally invested in your argument.
ggigfad5 t1_je5zlun wrote
You should reread my post.
donthatedrowning t1_je66h4w wrote
facepalm take upvote lol
covano32 t1_je6b53p wrote
I'm not Russian you absolute driveling mongrel. Project your cope elsewhere lol
covano32 t1_je6biu2 wrote
They root for who they are told is the sad truth. Also everyone, I LOVE DOWNVOTES. NPC's showing themselves.
covano32 t1_je6bs07 wrote
Wow listen to yourself. If only you knew. You think because Russians are subjected to propoganda, we can't be as well? Thats absolutley the level of intellect I expect from you people. I had no idea only one of the nations on Earth had propoganda. Wild. You probably believe America has free markets too how cute!
covano32 t1_je6c5sb wrote
Yeah thats whats happening you little western media talking point. Go away
LittleLight85 t1_je6dtgt wrote
Back to the vaccine conspiracy subreddits, swine.
cavecricket49 t1_je6duzz wrote
Way to resort to screeching about "projection" in... what, the span of two posts? Chill boy, start making sense and maybe then adults will acknowledge you as potentially human. What am I coping about exactly, the fact you're so brain damaged it's hilarious?
Dave-Schultz t1_je6vi7o wrote
Reread what? You’ve basically said nothing this entire time. I have no idea what you’re attempting to argue every time you reply.
ggigfad5 t1_je7513r wrote
David, go back to the start and read the whole thread and think about why you replied to me in the first place. I'm not going to walk you through basic reading comprehension because you don't understand the thread. Maybe you shouldn't have stuck your nose here in the first place.
krtshv t1_je796lq wrote
Is Russia not in Ukraine? Is the ICC not prosecuting them for war crimes?
You can call Media propaganda out, but that's not the media.
Dave-Schultz t1_je7k282 wrote
Why do you feel entitled to this environment? First you state that a man’s opinion doesn’t matter, then proceed to give your opinion on the writer themselves. Now you’re telling me not to “stick my nose in here”. This is Reddit, not your home dwelling.
What are you arguing about? Why are you so emotionally invested in this argument.
ggigfad5 t1_je7l8jl wrote
And yet you are continuing to reply.
Lol.
Dave-Schultz t1_je7ln87 wrote
I don’t have a problem with this conversation or the idea of sharing opinions. You do.
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ggigfad5 t1_je7ot13 wrote
Do I? Thank you for letting me know David.
Dave-Schultz t1_je7rjoc wrote
You do have a problem with the sharing of opinions. You scolded the original commenter by telling him is opinion doesnt matter. Then you continued to personally insult him for no reason.
ggigfad5 t1_je7va7v wrote
oh this is good Dave; I'm beginning to think you can't read. Where did I personally insult the OP? Link it here.
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Dave-Schultz t1_je7w1pg wrote
By responding and calling him a “very selfish person” based on their opinion, that which you said it shouldn’t have even been shared.
But even this is a dodge to the real issue, in that you feel entitled to this environment to the point of thinking your opinion is anymore valid then anyone else’s.
If his opinion doesn’t matter, why does yours? This is my biggest question.
ggigfad5 t1_je7wuy9 wrote
>“very selfish person"
But Dave, you said I continued to insult him. This is the first insult; hardly a continuation. Get your story straight.
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>in that you feel entitled to this environment to the point of thinking your opinion is anymore valid then anyone else’s
Lol. Hypocrite much?
Dave-Schultz t1_je7xssy wrote
I stated prior that I don’t think any of our opinions actually matter in the given context. Only the athletes that signed the petition have an actual meaningful opinion in the matter. We are simply commenting and giving our opinions to Reddit.
Our opinions matter no more or less with each other within this context. I would hope you agree.
ggigfad5 t1_je7xx2y wrote
>I don’t think [your] opinions actually matter
See, I have this in mind when I skim your posts, which are all together way too invested in this.
Dave-Schultz t1_je7y20y wrote
How so? You have been dodging my questions. I want to know your opinions, even if they don’t really matter. That’s called a productive conversation
ggigfad5 t1_je7zji5 wrote
What question is that?
Also, I don't really care to directly interact with you because you are clearly here to argue in bad faith.
covano32 t1_je86w6l wrote
Ad hominem is all you know.
covano32 t1_je872v0 wrote
Yeah you dont understand. Its okay. The same people who run the ICC run the media and banks and the world. Now enjoy being a peasant mouthpiece, on their behalf.
krtshv t1_je8dqef wrote
I think your tinfoil hat is leaking.
covano32 t1_je8e16j wrote
Pick it up for me? Be a sport?
cavecricket49 t1_je8hg2s wrote
You cannot seriously try to brush off fact- your utter inferiority- as "ad hominem." Chill with the persecution complex, boy.
covano32 t1_je8o32h wrote
You've been wrong about everything thus far, and you're superior? I figured you were one of those equality folks anyhow
cavecricket49 t1_je8ukcu wrote
I don't get how you can cry about me somehow being wrong when you're acting as a Kremlin mouthpiece. You're being this dumb by choice, right? I can't imagine how any organism with a brain would be this dumb by birth, a rat has more brainpower than what you've displayed so far.
covano32 t1_je9nmth wrote
Lol im just objective. Do you know what that means?
Bigworm4444 t1_jea8g2r wrote
Yeah I’m Mr. Krabs (an invertebrate) and I love me money, and it’s all being wasted on barnacles (Ukraine) that don’t help me country of Bikini USA which needs a lot. You should actually donate yourself to go fight since you’re such a nobleman and don’t care about your own home….
And yes that’s their problem not mine and shouldn’t be ours.
romansparta99 t1_jea933x wrote
Good deflection, I’m surprised you managed to get any words out with Putin’s dick in your mouth.
Bigworm4444 t1_jea946j wrote
Yes to both. I was literally telling someone not to be down on themselves and told them about a great book I read in the comments on some post and they went ham on my positivity (so many down votes)…. Now it’s like let me just be honest going forward because fuck these NPCs
covano32 t1_jeae63a wrote
Its a weird psychological experiment, reddit. People who want to be liked will surely alter their opinion because they will get ratio'd hard. For me it just confirms I'm correct lol people revile at the truth these days. Maintaining their bubble is most important.
cavecricket49 t1_jeas49s wrote
Saying that you're X does not automatically mean that you're X. You saying that you're objective in this case is the equivalent of just... you know... lying? I mean, I know you morons tend not to care about lying these days, but did you have to make it so obvious? Be convincing for once in your pathetic life as a Kremlin mouthpiece lmfao
covano32 t1_jebc052 wrote
Show me where Russia touched you
cavecricket49 t1_jebncnh wrote
Show me how and when you became such a bitch
Bigworm4444 t1_jeco0an wrote
I think they/hope they break that bubble or it gets burst once they lose a freedom they once enjoyed. And I agree with you about Reddit and weirdly what 4Chan is tying to do too. It’s working too well
covano32 t1_jecq0hq wrote
Yeah I am relatively new to it but its a neat little cesspool.
LDKCP t1_je07lak wrote
I hope they are serious and this isn't just sabre rattling.