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RunDNA t1_jeaj0at wrote

I can't find a single article with any more info than the bare bones info in this one.

I want to know more.

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Victor_Korchnoi t1_jeb2c6l wrote

Same. Tennis seems like a tough sport to manipulate the score of. There aren’t many judgement calls from the ref.

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nervouspencil t1_jebb8kf wrote

The exact opposite is true. The vast majority of officiated matches do not have electronic line calling and the umpire has absolute authority to call it as he sees it. Also, even in the slams, the ump has some discretion over other calls like foot faults, double bounces, time violations, other code violations, etc.

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OathOfFeanor t1_jecjh4j wrote

The way they phrased it almost seems like he abused his access to simply edit the scores after the fact or something, as opposed to weighing his decisions with a bias.

> Carrero manipulated the match scoring with a handheld device

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DarthPneumono t1_jectiy9 wrote

> The vast majority of officiated matches do not have electronic line calling

Is there a reason they don't just... have some cameras? 3 or 4 perspectives around the court and you could call basically anything, right?

edit: y'all this was a genuine question, calm yourselves

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hockeyfan1133 t1_jed4zep wrote

That’s not financially feasible.

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DarthPneumono t1_jefccwo wrote

Can you explain why? The cost of the cameras, the person reviewing them, something else? I'm very out of my field here, asking out of curiosity.

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crasyeyez t1_jedi41n wrote

Then how do they do it for badminton, which is far less popular?

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ParticularResident17 t1_jeddq7s wrote

The different lines on a court are boundaries for certain things, like serving. When calling a match, for fair play, the ball has to at least touch the line when it’s compressed by maximum downward force. So a ball that looks like it didn’t touch the line may very well have but a ball at a lower velocity may not. That’s why there are two officials with good views of the boundaries.

So not only are we talking a lot of cameras, most would need to do super-slo-mo and be cost prohibitive. They would also have to account for velocity and why on earth am I writing about tennis scoring at 1am omg I have to go to sleep.

Hope this helps!

E: this is confusing because I’m tired. I can explain it better tomorrow 🤪

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DarthPneumono t1_jefbxno wrote

It does, thank you :) now get some sleep...

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ParticularResident17 t1_jefic9w wrote

Can’t believe that’s as coherent as it is 😂 Glad I could help!

And yeah! Why are people downvoting you? It’s a really good question! We have cameras in every other sport — why not tennis?

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TheForeverKing t1_jec6rov wrote

That's true, but points in general are worth way less in a tennis match because there are so many. The ump can't manipulate too many or it'll be noticable, nor can he really do it on the very few truly vital points withouw drawing major objection and attention. Best he can do is do it at opportune times and hope it takes one of the players out of their flow. It must be very hard to make it work in any serious way

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Villageidiot1984 t1_jec8tii wrote

This is a ridiculous comment, one or two we’ll timed calls could easily throw a match, like in a tiebreaker or if the server has break point against. In a close professional match, throwing one point in one game every 2-3 sets could be huge if done at the right time.

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uddertaker t1_jecaowr wrote

From the article it reads like he was spot fixing instead of calling points to affect the outcome. So things like - player A will double-fault in the fourth game of the third set. He was making money or making his paymasters money that way.

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TheForeverKing t1_jecb30i wrote

If an umpire makes regular hard overrules on vital points multiples times in a match they'll be under a microscope in no time. There's no way they'd get away with that if you want to affect more than one match

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Villageidiot1984 t1_jecbcnv wrote

I’m just replying to the idea that there are too many points in a match for an umpire to make a difference with a few calls. They easily could.

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TheForeverKing t1_jecbytg wrote

I didn't say that. I said they are worth less because there are so many. In football for example the difference between 1-1 or 1-2 is huge, and decided by only one call. There are hundreds of points in a tennis match and thus, manipulating just a handful has a much smaller impact overall.

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prl_lover t1_jed919e wrote

He wasn't changing the actual score, he was just not inputting the scores to the handheld computer in a timely manner, or was deliberately making 'mistakes' and later correcting them.

Basically when a player won a point, his friends would bet on that player before he actually awarded them the point on the system. So bookies and other gamblers who rely on the score feed were getting shafted.

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lol-ban-me t1_jeff7r0 wrote

Woah. That sounds like it could be a pretty big fraud case

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thesecondfire t1_jefyiaz wrote

People can really bet on the outcomes of individual points in tennis, am I understanding that correctly? If that's the case, seems excessive.

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NonsensePlanet t1_jegsxbc wrote

I think it’s more likely that the odds change after each point. But maybe?

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Easterster t1_jec7jfu wrote

Turns out he didn’t actually Love some of the players.

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MrFluffyPillow t1_jearxss wrote

We got weights in fish!

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drivermcgyver t1_jedb691 wrote

Those guys got off real easy too. They went to court. Got probation. Loss of winnings and a boat they won. Lifetime ban but who cares. No jail time for cheating.

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JR_Maverick t1_jee5v14 wrote

Why would they go to jail? What crime did they commit?

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slightlyaskew123 t1_jee7zkh wrote

Fraud, for starters. Probably more of those smaller laws they throw on when the DA doesn’t want you to plead out of it

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JR_Maverick t1_jef5qc4 wrote

Maybe I'm missing something but how come this went to court where all other pro sports cheating incidents are handled by the sports governing body. Was it amateur?

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morallyirresponsible t1_jeb7wh7 wrote

I wish the same was done with boxing judges

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rockstar_not t1_jec20a2 wrote

Far too much organized crime money in that economy to quell unfair judging

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p3n1x t1_jec5fiy wrote

You mean, any sport. Especially if it can be gambled on

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sxtigon t1_jeb0xyv wrote

I had a soccer ref do this because he was from our opponent’s town. We still won. I just wont forget hearing him, the ref himself say such.

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pie-en-argent t1_jec6vhn wrote

It sounds like what was happening was not a matter of changing the outcome of matches. That would have drawn immediate complaints from the player(s) being disadvantaged if he had recorded points for the wrong player.

What he was probably doing was to delay the recording of some scores in the electronic system, so that his paymasters could bet on the result after it happened but before the bookies knew. In horse racing, this is called past-posting (wagering after post time).

This is not confirmed.

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RtuDtu t1_jeb7rse wrote

Has he been arrested? What are the charges going to look like?

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Existing_Display1794 t1_jebz38w wrote

Now let’s hold banking executives to the same standard.

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littleseizure t1_jec1bei wrote

You got it - banned for life if they ever try to manipulate tennis scores. How DARE they!

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JonnyOnThePot420 t1_jeebyhf wrote

Or even CEOs, Judges, Politicians, priests and cops... On second thought that's alot of jail cells nvm.

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Kind_Bullfrog_4073 t1_jeck6g9 wrote

Seems hard to rig tennis. Not as many subjective calls as football or basketball.

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tyrannomachy t1_jeec4fb wrote

They're not rigging the match, they're delaying inputting the result of a point so an accomplice in the crowd can front-run the books.

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JR_Maverick t1_jee60qu wrote

Most tournaments won't use hawkeye, so any close line call can be called/overruled by the ump. Plus they can choose to call things like foot faults at specific times when in reality they're happening really frequently without being called.

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KingKnux t1_jec18lw wrote

And you thought the refs from your sport sucked ass

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MightyMCY t1_jeefrze wrote

Hmmm...Looking at you NFL officiating!

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DFWPunk t1_jeepjre wrote

There are few sports more blatantly affected by gambling related malfeasance than tennis.

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pie-en-argent t1_jeewrhw wrote

This for two reasons, I think:

(1) There are lots of professional events where the legitimate money at stake is so low that crooks can influence the participants (players and umpires) relatively cheaply.

(2) Like a cricket or baseball game, a tennis match breaks down readily into a lot of bettable mini-events that can be spot-fixed or subjected to timing scams like this one.

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DFWPunk t1_jef0pho wrote

There's another factor. There are hundreds of low level matches played, where nobody is paying much attention, and the players are not earning much on tour, and nothing from sponsorships.

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RigzDigz t1_jefkd9s wrote

Can we do NFL next?

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Tackleberry06 t1_jebx84g wrote

Tennis is really really really dumb. Aggressive ping pong.

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mrnubuck t1_jed42yn wrote

Sounds like you know neither sport. Both are agressive. Do you think they are literally serving each other wine and cheese or something?

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