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RunDNA t1_jeaj0at wrote

I can't find a single article with any more info than the bare bones info in this one.

I want to know more.

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sxtigon t1_jeb0xyv wrote

I had a soccer ref do this because he was from our opponent’s town. We still won. I just wont forget hearing him, the ref himself say such.

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RtuDtu t1_jeb7rse wrote

Has he been arrested? What are the charges going to look like?

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nervouspencil t1_jebb8kf wrote

Replying to Victor_Korchnoi (#2,495,330)

The exact opposite is true. The vast majority of officiated matches do not have electronic line calling and the umpire has absolute authority to call it as he sees it. Also, even in the slams, the ump has some discretion over other calls like foot faults, double bounces, time violations, other code violations, etc.

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Tackleberry06 t1_jebx84g wrote

Tennis is really really really dumb. Aggressive ping pong.

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KingKnux t1_jec18lw wrote

And you thought the refs from your sport sucked ass

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TheForeverKing t1_jec6rov wrote

Replying to nervouspencil (#2,497,455)

That's true, but points in general are worth way less in a tennis match because there are so many. The ump can't manipulate too many or it'll be noticable, nor can he really do it on the very few truly vital points withouw drawing major objection and attention. Best he can do is do it at opportune times and hope it takes one of the players out of their flow. It must be very hard to make it work in any serious way

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pie-en-argent t1_jec6vhn wrote

It sounds like what was happening was not a matter of changing the outcome of matches. That would have drawn immediate complaints from the player(s) being disadvantaged if he had recorded points for the wrong player.

What he was probably doing was to delay the recording of some scores in the electronic system, so that his paymasters could bet on the result after it happened but before the bookies knew. In horse racing, this is called past-posting (wagering after post time).

This is not confirmed.

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Villageidiot1984 t1_jec8tii wrote

Replying to TheForeverKing (#2,505,051)

This is a ridiculous comment, one or two we’ll timed calls could easily throw a match, like in a tiebreaker or if the server has break point against. In a close professional match, throwing one point in one game every 2-3 sets could be huge if done at the right time.

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uddertaker t1_jecaowr wrote

Replying to Villageidiot1984 (#2,505,591)

From the article it reads like he was spot fixing instead of calling points to affect the outcome. So things like - player A will double-fault in the fourth game of the third set. He was making money or making his paymasters money that way.

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TheForeverKing t1_jecbytg wrote

Replying to Villageidiot1984 (#2,506,170)

I didn't say that. I said they are worth less because there are so many. In football for example the difference between 1-1 or 1-2 is huge, and decided by only one call. There are hundreds of points in a tennis match and thus, manipulating just a handful has a much smaller impact overall.

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OathOfFeanor t1_jecjh4j wrote

Replying to nervouspencil (#2,497,455)

The way they phrased it almost seems like he abused his access to simply edit the scores after the fact or something, as opposed to weighing his decisions with a bias.

> Carrero manipulated the match scoring with a handheld device

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Kind_Bullfrog_4073 t1_jeck6g9 wrote

Seems hard to rig tennis. Not as many subjective calls as football or basketball.

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DarthPneumono t1_jectiy9 wrote

Replying to nervouspencil (#2,497,455)

> The vast majority of officiated matches do not have electronic line calling

Is there a reason they don't just... have some cameras? 3 or 4 perspectives around the court and you could call basically anything, right?

edit: y'all this was a genuine question, calm yourselves

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prl_lover t1_jed919e wrote

Replying to Victor_Korchnoi (#2,495,330)

He wasn't changing the actual score, he was just not inputting the scores to the handheld computer in a timely manner, or was deliberately making 'mistakes' and later correcting them.

Basically when a player won a point, his friends would bet on that player before he actually awarded them the point on the system. So bookies and other gamblers who rely on the score feed were getting shafted.

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ParticularResident17 t1_jeddq7s wrote

Replying to DarthPneumono (#2,511,183)

The different lines on a court are boundaries for certain things, like serving. When calling a match, for fair play, the ball has to at least touch the line when it’s compressed by maximum downward force. So a ball that looks like it didn’t touch the line may very well have but a ball at a lower velocity may not. That’s why there are two officials with good views of the boundaries.

So not only are we talking a lot of cameras, most would need to do super-slo-mo and be cost prohibitive. They would also have to account for velocity and why on earth am I writing about tennis scoring at 1am omg I have to go to sleep.

Hope this helps!

E: this is confusing because I’m tired. I can explain it better tomorrow 🤪

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JR_Maverick t1_jee60qu wrote

Replying to Kind_Bullfrog_4073 (#2,508,499)

Most tournaments won't use hawkeye, so any close line call can be called/overruled by the ump. Plus they can choose to call things like foot faults at specific times when in reality they're happening really frequently without being called.

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MightyMCY t1_jeefrze wrote

Hmmm...Looking at you NFL officiating!

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DFWPunk t1_jeepjre wrote

There are few sports more blatantly affected by gambling related malfeasance than tennis.

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pie-en-argent t1_jeewrhw wrote

Replying to DFWPunk (#2,529,880)

This for two reasons, I think:

(1) There are lots of professional events where the legitimate money at stake is so low that crooks can influence the participants (players and umpires) relatively cheaply.

(2) Like a cricket or baseball game, a tennis match breaks down readily into a lot of bettable mini-events that can be spot-fixed or subjected to timing scams like this one.

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DFWPunk t1_jef0pho wrote

Replying to pie-en-argent (#2,532,357)

There's another factor. There are hundreds of low level matches played, where nobody is paying much attention, and the players are not earning much on tour, and nothing from sponsorships.

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