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badmanbp2 t1_irsairr wrote

What a senseless loss of human life.

I hope Russia gives up this garbage invasion soon.

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biscuitslayer77 t1_irsdrg4 wrote

They won't. The only hope is that putin is unalived some how before any more senseless deaths occur.

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VolkspanzerIsME t1_irsy1gb wrote

Putin has no choice. He's backed into a corner. If he capitulates he loses all the fear he has used to rule so far. He either wins or he dies.

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DragoonXNucleon t1_irt46d2 wrote

So assassination then, dunno why this isn't the solution. He senselessly kills thousands more of we kill 1 single person. This is the trolley problem and we're choosing the wrong answer continually.

It is an objective fact that Putin is more dangerous than Bin Laden ever was and his body is at the bottom of the ocean now.

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IronPeter t1_irt7oib wrote

I think he knows that and takes countermeasures

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DragoonXNucleon t1_irtaylm wrote

The guy is out making open air, public, prescheduled speeches. If we wanted him dead, he'd be dead. Yet, there is is, just leveling a nation that did nothing wrong but exist.

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lebouffon88 t1_irtnnt4 wrote

Can you guys really imagine what happens if USA really ordered the assassination of a Russian president? It's an act of war. And we don't want to risk any open warfare because if there would be a world war 3, I know what weapon we would use in world war 4 (stone and club).

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barsoapguy t1_irtobiq wrote

Nah it’s American we would still have plenty of guns for WW4 AND we would still win it ! Go California republic !

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STR4NGE t1_irtza5x wrote

That reminds me do we know who killed Kennedy? I heard it was some Oswald guy that was indoctrinated to Soviet ideologies. I heard they didn’t like him over some Cuba thing and had him killed. What’s more interesting is the files around the Kennedy assassination keep on getting reclassified. Sorry wrong sub.

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Jake_Corona t1_irtn5nq wrote

There’s probably a lot more too it than that. There’s probably many logistical reasons it hasn’t been done already.

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barsoapguy t1_irto79v wrote

Right , have you seen how long those tables he sits at are ? That in itself presents a huge problem.

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hHraper t1_irw1mou wrote

“Did nothing wrong”. Oh yes ? So we now pretend that the war started only this year and there were nothing going out between Ukrainian government and people of Donbas. Alright then

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Habeus0 t1_irt4igf wrote

“We”?

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VolkspanzerIsME t1_irt6nu0 wrote

Yeah, fuck "we".

This is on the Russian people to take care of. If "we" have anything to do with it it will only escalate things dramatically.

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BadMedAdvice t1_irt722x wrote

The escalation is already occurring, no further input required.

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pablonus t1_irt7iv5 wrote

Yea. Assassination by an outside party is extremely dangerous and will escalate a nation to the max. Like it was said before. It has to be done internally by Russians.

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtd7x5 wrote

I’m ukrainian and unfortunately not a lot of russians really want to get rid of Putin, I think it’s like maximum 20%, others are just saying that we are bombing ourselves. Only if u saw a comments under a posts of propaganda journalist about todays bombing, these people were HAPPY and PROUD that Putin did it, it’s just funny and disgusting at the same time, really.

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barsoapguy t1_irtowy5 wrote

Once again that could just be the Russian cyber division writing a bunch of propaganda. The mass exodus of hundreds of thousands of Russian Military aged males seems to illustrate that they do understand that there’s a military conflict going on and that they want no part of it.

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtp3ej wrote

ik that’s there’s a propaganda but i know people there who don’t support war, but they do nothing, that’s why we hate them

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barsoapguy t1_irtpl8t wrote

What can they do ? Do you expect them to call up their local duma representative and tell them to vote against the war ?

They can do nothing except keep their heads down and try to survive as they’ve been doing for generations now .

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtq0iz wrote

they can go out on protest, but not like a peaceful one which they are doing, but a serious one. If you have seen a videos from there you can see that the russians are just making a videos of how police taking people with them, and do absolutely nothing, that’s not how it works

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barsoapguy t1_irtqejo wrote

Protest = prison or death .

It’s just not gonna happen my dude . Not like protesting would even do anything anyways . They would essentially have to revolt .

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtq3fg wrote

making videos of how police is taking people to prison won’t help you at all

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barsoapguy t1_irtqgyj wrote

It shows the world why they can’t protest .

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtq54m wrote

that’s why all the russians for us are really a cowards

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barsoapguy t1_irtqrks wrote

If you had nuclear weapons and could wipe out their major population centers they might be more concerned because then they would have skin in the game .

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Dyhart t1_irv458k wrote

You want them to protest, just to be arrested and shipped off to the warfront to die as kebab? You wouldn’t either so shut up

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irv48pe wrote

u know that if u will decline draft u’ll still go to prison right?)

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VolkspanzerIsME t1_irtgj73 wrote

I am unfortunately aware of the average Russians opinion on the war. That's what worries me. I fully expect Putin to go "scorched earth" rather than lose face by admitting any level of defeat. I am also aware of the Russians cultural and historic denigration of Ukrainians. Russians losing to Ukrainians is unthinkable for a large percentage of the population.

Putin is "all in" at this point. There is no future in which he capitulates and retains power. So he's going to escalate and escalate until he can't or he's dead.

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtieje wrote

yeah, almost every russian believes that they are “Top 2 army in the world” and even think that their vehicles are better than USAs so really serious loses on front will destroy reputation of putin

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irteeq9 wrote

Also almost everybody in Ukraine hates russians now, it’s not racist or something, it’s more about what this nation is really about and their people, everybody in this country is just a coward even the russians who don’t support war, mainly because they don’t really do protests. Just compare russian protests against the government(they just last for maximum 20mins) and ukrainian ones, just remember Euromaidan.

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barsoapguy t1_irtok5x wrote

Well to be fair to the Russians if you just stand on the street corner with a blank sign they will come and cart you off to prison . Also the Russian prisons are horrendous and you wouldn’t want to be thrown in one .

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Budget-Yak-5271 t1_irtotag wrote

that’s why i’m saying to remember Euromaidan, there was a war between civilians and special forces. That’s how you fight for a freedom in country

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barsoapguy t1_irtpcc2 wrote

Until recently The average Russian had little reason to take up arms against their own state since they aren’t the ones currently being trampled on … that may change with the draft but it appears the most motivated are simply going “peace out” ✌️ .

I wouldn’t want to fight the Russian state either , I’d just dip . Not my problem anymore .

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VolkspanzerIsME t1_irth28x wrote

There is also the historic and cultural disdain the Russians have for the Ukrainians. They even have a bigoted term for them. In the average russians mind it is unthinkable to lose to Ukraine. It's an old trick. Dehumanize the enemy and your soldiers are capable of anything.

Even if it was a Ukrainian that did the job I would still expect the nukes to fly.

This would need Russian fingerprints or none at all.

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TripolarKnight t1_irtpn1y wrote

If the US tried to kill Fidel Castro 100+ and failed, do you think the US hasn't tried it?

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islandsluggers t1_iruccty wrote

He is not the only crazy one and Putin will be replaced my another lunatic. Tear the whole country and institution down. Raze the government and start from beginning.

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Ownzalot t1_irt31dw wrote

I believe there's some serious concerns that whoever replaces him is even more pro war / hard line. There's no guarantee it gets better if Putin is gone.. perhaps even part of the reason he's still there to begin with.

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dschultz50 t1_irsvo5e wrote

They won’t. Putin fragile ego has been damaged after the bridge bombing. This is only going to get worse.

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pablonus t1_irt7d5o wrote

May that bridge come crumbling down.

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Zippemannen t1_irv6h9f wrote

At the city that we loved

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react_dev t1_irswcsg wrote

It’s no longer about “giving up the invasion”

The war will not end until Ukraine has taken back all lands lost plus Crimea mark my words. Russia wishes the war could end in the current state of territory.

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super_sayanything t1_irt4qxw wrote

Crimea originally pretty much wanted to join Russia, I'm really curious what an accurate poll would say today.

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BadMedAdvice t1_irt78tv wrote

According to whom? The Russian vote?

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pablonus t1_irt7r4m wrote

Exactly. It's wasn't even a ukranian. Vote it was by Russia. How anyone could take that as legitimate is beyond me.

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super_sayanything t1_irtdgmd wrote

The United Nations did polls throughout the 2000's that showed they wanted to be part of Russia.

It was a known fact Crimea wanted to be a part of Russia.

I'm curious what an accurate poll would say today, how's that downvotable?

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pablonus t1_irtdu91 wrote

To bad they didn't go through ukraine on the vote. Russia had no say in it. Crimea is still occupied ukranian territory. Once Russia is out and peace is restored perhaps a real referendum can be head by Ukraine and it's provinces to decide if that is the final fate. Until then too bad.

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super_sayanything t1_irthis4 wrote

Right, so again, I'm curious what an accurate poll would say. smdh.

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pablonus t1_irthvo8 wrote

Guess one would have to be performed once it is liberated and Ukraine stabilized. Pretty sure a growing economic powerhouse of Ukraine will be better than the tatters of Russia that putler is leave them with.

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super_sayanything t1_irti5zx wrote

Uh, yea but I'm not interested in what you think, I'm interested in what they think. Which neither of us know.

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Inthewirelain t1_irv5rsx wrote

There's some truth to it when you're talking raw numbers of people in crimea. However it's bs because the vote is AFTER putin had a ton of Russians steam roll in and tip the odds

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Inthewirelain t1_irv5tv8 wrote

There's some truth to it when you're talking raw numbers of people in crimea. However it's bs because the vote is AFTER putin had a ton of Russians steam roll in and tip the odds

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jeenyus79 t1_irt11gp wrote

Ukraine is not winning this. The only exit is Russia stopping.

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miggly t1_irt2ihd wrote

Yea, Russia has shown that they're a very competent force capable of holding their claimed territory time and time again.

/s

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jeenyus79 t1_irthece wrote

You must be one of those dudes who thought that Russia is done for after the early sanctions and the ruble falling for a bit. Reddit people are ignorant af running from reality and hanging onto small russian setbacks seeing them as Ukraine winning the war.

Then you get an 84 rocket surprise in the morning and make a Pikachu face. Unless Putin is removed somehow or he decides that the annexed territory is enough and stops the war this can only escalate. There's a limit to US/EU's support to Ukraine.

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miggly t1_irtppce wrote

What is your point?

Do you think repeatedly bombing an area is the course to victory? What's the end game?

Any 'annexed' territory is just going to have a massive insurgency while Russia fails to maintain control.

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IV4K t1_irtes9l wrote

They hold more than they did on Feb 23 and Ukraine still holds less. They’ve recaptured a lot of land but they’re still far from winning and it’s not certain that they ever will. Lots of fight left in both sides.

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miggly t1_irtg907 wrote

You're insane if you think any land they 'hold' will stay held. Ukraine has already shown that any actual efforts to maintain an area is going to end poorly for Russia.

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Bizjub1397 t1_irszlud wrote

Just as much of a senseless loss of life as every other life lost to this conflict so far. Soldier, civilian, athlete, worker, mother, father, daughter, son, Ukrainian, Russian… doesn’t matter, all of it is senseless

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beedlejooce t1_irwahx8 wrote

Zero chance. He’s too far in it now. Narcissistic oligarchs don’t just go quietly. He’ll go down in a giant flash of glory before he gives up this war. This has only just begun for the rest of the world.

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