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44MHz t1_ix8bcks wrote

Reply to comment by thesame123 in BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar criticism by AcknowledgeableReal

They absolutely believe in human rights.

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JimmminyCricket t1_ix8fk3a wrote

If you mean the right to treat human, non male, non cis, non Muslims like shit, then yes you’re right.

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44MHz t1_ix8fxso wrote

In the West it's exactly the same except change Muslim with white.

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BostonBoy01 t1_ix8gm51 wrote

Muslims can’t get married in the west?

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JimmminyCricket t1_ix8hbdq wrote

Yea evidently the gays banned Muslims from marrying the opposite sex, the whites banned Muslims from practicing Islam or reading the Quran and the furries are forcing everyone to attend furry conventions every Saturday or the furry morality police will pick you up.

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44MHz t1_ix8hrai wrote

If you think gays and Muslims aren't persecuted in white countries then you are obviously white and not gay or Muslim.

They are literally being killed. Just a few hours ago a group of Gays were executed in a bar in America.

This is happening right now.

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JimmminyCricket t1_ix8idi5 wrote

Duh it’s happening. It’s due to extremists. But guess what? The government doesn’t OUTRIGHT BAN these people from existing. Yes we need to change our culture still (as do the Qataris…) but we are at least a major leap ahead.

And if you truly feel that way, why are you seemingly only standing up against it on one side of things? On the other (Qatar) side you just want to run defense and point to other countries that “do it too.” So is it bad or not????? PERIOD. That’s it. It’s bad. Call it out every time. Big or small.

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44MHz t1_ix8jadg wrote

It's not extremists if they are the presidents of those countries.

I'm not standing up for anyone.

I'm just telling you that Russia is far worse than Qatar.

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44MHz t1_ixcjfmx wrote

Christians can’t get married in Qatar? (They absolutely can)

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44MHz t1_ix8hv7w wrote

Not in state Churches, no.

It's the same thing.

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tatxc t1_ixchuo0 wrote

In the UK any Muslim could get married in any state registry office or C of E Church a Christian could.

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44MHz t1_ixcjnh9 wrote

Just like they can in churches in Qatar.

It's the same thing.

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tatxc t1_ixcnh8x wrote

Yeah, no. Gays can't get married in Qatar.

Jews can't even get koshur food there right now or pray in public.

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44MHz t1_ixdwe7z wrote

Neither can gays get married in many parts of Europe, like Italy.

And halal food practices are illegal in Sweden and Denmark, for example.

It’s the same thing.

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tatxc t1_ixe1d0x wrote

Halal slaughter is banned in animal rights grounds. Halal food isn't, you can buy Halal food there easily.

And Italy might not have gay marriage but it does have civil unions registered by the state. That's not the same as Qatar where its illegal.

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44MHz t1_ixe2fyv wrote

Gay marriage is illegal in Italy. "Alternatives" exist in both Italy and Qatar but they don't count.

Most halal food is kosher anyway. Kosher has slightly stricter preparation rules for some ingredients, but if you practice Judaism you know what these are and can avoid them.

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tatxc t1_ixeq95x wrote

Being gay is illegal in qatar. Its very fucking different and you know it.

And its easy to avoid unless you're visiting a country for an event. And none of that addresses the ban on public prayer. They're both clearly an attempt to suppress Judaism.

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44MHz t1_ixer1ok wrote

Being gay is not illegal in Qatar. What is this nonsense.

And Italy's ban on gay marriage is clearly a way to suppress gay people. That's Europe for you.

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tatxc t1_ixgpbl4 wrote

Sexual acts of male homosexuality are illegal in Qatar, with a punishment of up to three years in prison and a fine and the possibility of a death penalty for Muslims under sharia law.

You're not fooking anyone with this disingenuous crap and you're just factually wrong here.

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44MHz t1_ixgq4ks wrote

Funny, because a gay marriage is illegal in Italy, with punishment of up to three years in prison and fines.

It's even the same punishment in Europe.

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tatxc t1_ixi7ccs wrote

Yeah sorry going to need a source on that one.

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44MHz t1_ixie4j8 wrote

Gay marriage (or any non-genuine marriage) is a breach of art 495 in the Italian penal code.

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tatxc t1_ixifgjb wrote

No, 495 is for falsely declaring on official documents and the penalty is one year.

I think you know this too, as there's never been a case of a homosexual being prosecuted under these laws.

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44MHz t1_ixifrw8 wrote

There has never been a gay marriage punished in Qatar either.

So we can dismiss that one too.

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tatxc t1_ixiuaas wrote

That's because qatar imprisons people for the act of homosexuality and offers no legal alternative. So we can't dismiss that at all, they're not the same and you know that.

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44MHz t1_ixiwavo wrote

And Italy imprisons people for claiming gay marriage (since they are considered non-genuine). There is no legal alternative.

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tatxc t1_ixj0o44 wrote

No they don't, this has been to court before. They don't go to prison, they just get reclassified as civil unions. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The LGBTQ+ safety index rates Italy 53rd of 203 countries with a score of 168. Qatar are rated 190th with a score of - 137.

They aren't the same. You know that, I know that. We're done here.

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44MHz t1_ixj26ws wrote

Civil unions are not as much as an alternative to marriage as a wife is and alternative to a gay man’s marriage. These two cannot be equated.

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tatxc t1_ixj476h wrote

This is nonsense, a legally binding, state recognised agreement between two people, while not perfect, is clearly better than being imprisoned for committing the acts required to develop a connection needed to enter said contact. This is a fact and its why the safety index is so heavily different. I'll only be accepting sourced arguments from reasonably objective sources from you now I'm afraid.

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44MHz t1_ixjc4t7 wrote

Same for you.

Please give the source stating gays in Italy are not fighting for gay marriage to be recognized and they are happy with civil partnership as being equal to straight marriage.

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tatxc t1_ixjdd4x wrote

Nobody argued that, it's the definition of a straw man. Nobody argued that European countries were perfect. And the fact you're trying to argue that is because you know the actual point of contention is irrefutable. You're just JAQing off.

The simple and irrefutable fact is that all Western European countries are significantly better places for homosexuals to live, work and visit than Qatar. The [LGBTQ+ safety index] and (https://www.asherfergusson.com/lgbtq-travel-safety/) equalidex both clearly illustrate this.

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44MHz t1_ixje4n6 wrote

And European countries are significantly worse than Qatar for Muslims.

What’s your point?

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tatxc t1_ixjgc07 wrote

> And European countries are significantly worse than Qatar for Muslims.

I'm afraid you're going to need a citation for the fact that Muslims' human rights are better catered for in Qatar than in the UK. Because for gay Muslims, women, foreign working Muslims or even Shia Muslims

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JimmminyCricket t1_ix8h395 wrote

LOL. Okay? First off yea, white people are treated better due to systemic racism. It’s quite different in terms of rules and laws for everyone though lmao.

Also, all you have is to redirect to “BUT BUT BUT THE DEH TEH USA BED TOO1!!1!11!”

Like come on man. The way to take criticism is not to turn around and criticize. Fucking admit fault. See how I did that in the first paragraph for the USA even though it’s an evident “what-aboutism” and a strawman argument?

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CaptainDino123 t1_ixdjx0e wrote

Muslims can be executed for being muslim in the west? Damn I must have missed that news story

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44MHz t1_ixdxpln wrote

White people can be executed for being white in Qatar? Damn I must have missed that news story

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CaptainDino123 t1_ixe5dok wrote

Homosexuals fam

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44MHz t1_ixe6i8s wrote

In the US, gay people are getting murdered in the street. The police do nothing since most of them are against gay rights.

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Ehab1991 t1_ix8oc4f wrote

Don't waste your time with these brainwashed idiots.

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