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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixmwl2n wrote

Reply to comment by Tborg42 in FIFA bans 'One Love' armbands at World Cup by ambianceambiance

Why does them adding value matter? The point is you are expecting someone to make a significant sacrifice to address a social issue they had no part in creating, yet you are unwilling to make similar (even smaller) sacrifices to address the same issue.

Also, if you are going to take the stance that playing in the world cup is not a big deal for the players, I feel like you are not debating in good faith. So best of luck to you. I truly hope you examine your stance on this topic and change your point of view, but as it is now, I feel you are not willing to even entertain changing your opinion.

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Tborg42 t1_ixn6cra wrote

You are right - I am not willing to entertain accepting genocides, slavery, and corruption. Silly me.

You keep calling it a significant sacrifice. It isn’t. It’s very rich people missing out on a prestige project that comes back every other year.

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixnr79z wrote

Then why do you not give up your weekends to go protest outside of the Qatar embassy? Again, my point is that it is unfair of you to put that expectation on them, when it is not being applied to us all.

With regards to your opinion that the world cup does not matter to the players, I'm sorry- but you are just wrong. Participating in and possibility winning a world cup is a major objective/achievement for all players. It blows my mind that you are willing to die on this hill, and if you choose too, there is nothing else I can say to convince you. You are living in your own world.

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Tborg42 t1_ixnvvb1 wrote

  1. I am not sure if you’re trolling or seriously just not understanding. I don’t expect them to do anything actively. The exact opposite. I am giving up watching, as for many others. That’s our “passive” protests, and voting with our wallets. I am simply saying that the same should apply to players. It’s obviously their choice, and they shouldn’t be forced on anyone. But not travelling to a backward country isn’t really a “sacrifice”

  2. of course it matters. Never said it was a “whatever”-event for anyone. Just said it isn’t a once in a lifetime opportunity for any of the European or South American teams. That none of the players will be needing for anything for skipping out one playoff. It’s a prestige project, not anything existential. People have literally lit themselves on fire in that part of the world in an attempt to gain rights. Let’s not call not playing football for 4 weeks a sacrifice, no matter the trophy they are competing for

  3. (as I forgot to reply to that last time) adding value matters tremendously. If I started sending money to Al-Queda, wouldn’t people be right to criticise (and imprison me)? Or should I be completely exonerated because nobody was spending their weekends demonstrating, so they aren’t better than me, even though I actively supported a terrorist organisation?

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixofbxb wrote

I'm not sure what to say at this point. You live in your own world. Best of luck to you.

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