Submitted by shellystarzz t3_zct1ob in sports
CUREAZGEORGE t1_iz04nxh wrote
Reply to comment by Rogue42bdf in Hall of Famer Deion Sanders leaves Jackson State to take charge of Colorado by shellystarzz
Ya I’m sure Jackson state felt like the rug got pulled out from them and that he was planning to stay longer. But it’s a business at the end of the day as a college head coach. Also upsetting that Deion telling them all to transfer when he sold them on the idea of building something there in the first place.
donkeylipsh t1_iz0ja94 wrote
But that's not what Dieon sold Jackson State and the players he recruited. Dieon claimed he was doing this for more than business, for more than money, for more than his career.
Dieon made himself the figurehead of a movement. He grifted Jackson State and every one of the players that he lied to to get them to pass up far better offers to join him and his movement at HBCUs.
slapshots1515 t1_iz0xhhv wrote
"...and every one of the players that he lied to to get them to pass up far better offers to join him and his movement at HBCUs."
I get your point here, but nearly anyone that had a shot at a "better offer" is going with him.
donkeylipsh t1_iz1iqcf wrote
None of them signed up to be part of Deion's professional oddysey or play for Colorado.
They signed up to play for an HBCU. They signed up to be part of a movement. They signed up because Deion convinced them it was their calling to be part of something bigger than a college football team.
And now each and every player who signed up because they wanted to be part of what Deion sold them, are now having to give up that dream.
slapshots1515 t1_iz1u93b wrote
If you honestly think anyone that had “far better offers” signed with Jackson State for any other reason than that they believed Deion was capable of getting them to the next level, I have oceanside property in Kansas for sale that you should look at.
You can say all you want about Jackson State as a university, Jackson State fans, even HBCUs in general, and I can grant you it might be warranted. No college kid (Travis Hunter included) was giving up a potential multimillion dollar NFL career for a “movement.”
donkeylipsh t1_iz24oke wrote
It wasn't an either/or decision.
Deion promised them they could have the path to the NFL AND fulfill a higher mission than football.
slapshots1515 t1_iz27o30 wrote
And if you think any of those players passed up a better chance at a multimillion dollar NFL career in support of a mission that will take decades to accomplish without netting them anything, let’s talk about that oceanfront property in Kansas. Players that had the offers you’re talking about went to Jackson State for two things: NFL chances and NIL money. They can get both at Colorado.
donkeylipsh t1_iz2bcjt wrote
It was always about more to these kids:
>"Jerry Rice, Doug Williams and, of course, the legend, JSU’s own Walter Payton — Historically Black Colleges and Universities have a rich tradition in football. I want to be part of that history, and more, I want to be part of that future. I am making this decision so that I can light the way for others to follow, make it a little easier for the next player to recognize that HBCUs may be everything you want and more: an exciting college experience, a vital community, and a life-changing place to play football.
“I look forward to working with the iconic Deion Sanders, and especially with my fellow Tigers. Along with Coach Prime, they have made me feel like I’m already part of the team. Like I’m home. And I can’t wait to welcome the next class of top athletes into the family of HBCUs.
You can downvote me all you want. You can argue til you're face is as blue as the ocean views from your Kansas beach house. You can not change the words these young men spoke. And you can not change what they were buying in to.
slapshots1515 t1_iz2ishf wrote
If you believe everything everyone ever says at full face value, it’s going to be a very trying life for you.
donkeylipsh t1_iz57awp wrote
Ignoring all evidence as you close your eyes, plug your ears, and scream "I'm right, you're wrong!!!" isn't the flex you think it is
slapshots1515 t1_iz6qhio wrote
I’ve given you evidence, my man. You’re the one who can’t face the facts of the situation and want everyone involved here to be something they aren’t. You can’t overturn one, simple fact: if it were this important to them, they wouldn’t be leaving.
donkeylipsh t1_iz6wls4 wrote
No, you've expressed your opinion that Deion owes nobody anythign for the lies he tells recruits.
You've never once presented an single word that has the backing of anything any player has said or done.
I'm the only person in this discussion who has presented evidence.
You made up your own narrative for everything, including my own position, and are doing touchdown dances as if you're speaking the word of god.
And you then you lack all self-awareness to try and attack me for creating my own narrative.
Something, something, accuse your enemy of that you are most guilty
slapshots1515 t1_iz75enn wrote
Please quote where I said anything about what Deion does or does not owe to anyone.
Please offer an actual refutation to the fact that these players have indeed left. If you’re so certain your premise is correct that these players were so dedicated to HBCUs and not Deion, explain using facts and not feelings why they left immediately after he did.
You can’t do either one.
That’ll about sum that up.
donkeylipsh t1_iz7acy1 wrote
This you?
>If you believe everything everyone ever says at full face value, it’s going to be a very trying life for you.
As for the transfers, the fact is, the first Jackson State player to enter the transfer portal didn't do that until today! So you've been lying in all your posts, and the thing you're claiming is the basis of your position, is fan-fiction you made up in your own head.
So no, there is no FACT that all these players are following Deion.
You're too blind with your rage and stupidity to realize you're presenting a logical fallacy.
The burden of proof isn't on me. You're the one who is claiming 100% of the Jackson State roster has already announced they are transferring.
Which is a lie. So you need to prove the existence of every, single, player transferring before I can point out your ignorance once again.
Please offer an actual refutation to the fact that you're a lab rat typing on a keyboard.
Take your fucking L bro
slapshots1515 t1_iz7b9lz wrote
Rage? Stupidity? Lol.
That quote isn’t anything to do with me saying what Deion owes to anyone. Please try again.
I never claimed 100% of the Jackson State roster would transfer. Please stop lying.
Sanders and Hunter have both already announced their intent to leave. If you believe it won’t be official soon, you really are as gullible as you seem. If you don’t believe it, then please argue in good faith.
If you don’t believe there will be any more-especially since Deion already said more would be coming-then it makes sense why you bought this narrative hook, line, and sinker in the first place.
It’s really quite funny to watch you try to argue. You try to pull out the quote about accusing your enemy of that which you are on me…only to exemplify it yourself.
I asked two simple things of you, please try again. I know you can’t and that’s why you’re so mad.
donkeylipsh t1_iz825ry wrote
Oh look, it's the goldfish bot who can't even remember the words the spew out on the keyboard!
This is too easy
>Instead, they are all leaving with Deion. It was always about Deion.
The goldfish strikes again. For real, take your L
slapshots1515 t1_iz862ky wrote
What does that quote have to do with what Deion owes to anyone?
Keep trying, at least that one had the word “Deion” in it.
donkeylipsh t1_iz89asx wrote
>I never claimed 100% of the Jackson State roster would transfer.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alzheimers-disease/in-depth/alzheimers/art-20048103
slapshots1515 t1_iz89vnh wrote
Quote where I said that big fella. Like the other quote you still can’t produce, you won’t be able to. I do wish you would stop lying.
donkeylipsh t1_iz8aqea wrote
slapshots1515 t1_iz8bqnu wrote
You are a special kind of stupid, aren’t ya son. This is the part where you’re supposed to show me, you know, where I actually claimed 100% of the Jackson State roster would transfer. You know, to show me I’m wrong. Which you won’t be able to do, but it’s super funny to watch you try.
donkeylipsh t1_iz8c6oj wrote
>Instead, they are all leaving with Deion.
slapshots1515 t1_iz8f074 wrote
…clearly, you’re not actually trying to stretch “all” in that quote to mean “100% of the Jackson State roster”, because that would take an incredible lack of reading comprehension.
It’s doubly hilarious you’re so pressed now you’re googling links to use on elementary school insults. Like seriously, is this all it takes to set you off?
donkeylipsh t1_iz8f7zd wrote
>How dare you use my words against me!!!
slapshots1515 t1_iz8fjtz wrote
…but you didn’t. Unless, again, you’re applying an inconceivable lack of reading comprehension again. Like seriously, we might be talking world record status.
donkeylipsh t1_iz8fs6a wrote
>My words are meaningless! Now I demand you take me seriously!
- man sipping long island iced tea on his beach in Kansas
slapshots1515 t1_iz8g4zx wrote
So just to clarify-rather than simply admit you are wrong-you’re going so far as to pretend to be so colossally stupid to apply “all” here to mean “100% of the Jackson State roster” rather than the group of people we were talking about the whole time, the players Deion recruited that had better offers from big schools.
I have to say, I’m legitimately impressed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone cut off so much of their nose to spite their face before.
donkeylipsh t1_iz8gcpj wrote
all
adjective
- Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity:
- synonym: whole.
- Constituting, being, or representing the total extent or the whole.
- Being the utmost possible of.
slapshots1515 t1_iz8glq1 wrote
Try looking up “context” next. Vital for the reading comprehension you need. You’ll find life much easier after that.
Seriously, I’ve never seen someone pretend to be this dumb just to avoid admitting they were wrong. It’s pathological, isn’t it?
donkeylipsh t1_iz8i845 wrote
What context will make every player from all 3 of Deion's recruiting classes joining him at Colorado a reality?
If you can tell me what you're even accusing me of I will eat my keyboard. Guarantee you're too dumb to even realize what you're arguing any more.
https://www.poison.org/articles/medications-can-get-confusing
slapshots1515 t1_iz9e3od wrote
I’m not so much accusing you of anything as just wondering if it would be more sad if you actually believed what you were saying and had to go about life being that dumb, or whether it would be worse if you were so pathologically opposed to admitting you misstated the smallest little thing that you would still be bothering to invent all of this two days later. Pretty sad either way, really.
donkeylipsh t1_iza4g2h wrote
There it is! Dumbass has no clue what they're even arguing. Got so worked up you played yourself to be the biggest fool on reddit. Shocker! Guess I won't be having that keyboard for breakfast after all.
What do you think I believed?
You want me to admit something, but you don't even know what thing is. You harassed me for 48 hours, and you can't even explain why.
And you call me pathological?
Jesus christ, in the history of self-owns, you take the crown. The physical embodied of /r/selfawarewolves and /r/confidentlyincorrect all rolled into one.
I gotta thank you, bravo! Chefs kiss! You're truly one of the greatest treasures I've ever discovered on reddit!
slapshots1515 t1_izaddgf wrote
I wouldn’t expect you to understand the conversation. You’ve pretty conclusively proven you either can’t or won’t read. Which one it is isn’t much of a concern to me.
Harassed you? My brother in Christ, you’re the one who is so obsessed with me you actually just signed up to follow me on Reddit. I’ve never seen anyone be so pressed before. What was it you said? “Something, something, accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of”? Look in the mirror my guy.
donkeylipsh t1_iz7b4xb wrote
Quote one fact you've presented in all your posts. Just fucking 1.
Do it. Put your money where your mouth is. Use your facts not your feelings.
slapshots1515 t1_iz7breb wrote
Why should I? You claim you have all this evidence but you can’t play my game and offer a simple quote. Why should I come down to your level?
It’s funny you accuse me of being blinded by rage when you’re so pressed yourself.
donkeylipsh t1_iz82re8 wrote
I gave you a quote you braindead gold fish.
Suddenly mr. facts not feelings can't name a single fact. You're complete joke. /r/selfawarewolves come get your boy
slapshots1515 t1_iz85xx2 wrote
You gave me a quote…that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Life must really be tough for you.
donkeylipsh t1_iz89537 wrote
Is there a caregiver we should alert for you? I don't think dementia patients are supposed to spend this much time online without supervision
slapshots1515 t1_iz89ek9 wrote
I’m just seeing a guy who would rather spend his whole day and night searching for a quote that doesn’t exist rather than just admit they were wrong. I just see that as a pretty tough life for you, that’s all. Quite sad.
donkeylipsh t1_iz8bdk6 wrote
slapshots1515 t1_iz8buf8 wrote
Or look up dementia links rather than admit you’re wrong. Seriously, it’s tragic to watch. Actually it’s not, a good clown show is always amusing.
donkeylipsh t1_iz2a97g wrote
If NFL and NIL is the only thing they cared about, then they never woulda gone to Jackson State to begin with.
And if you think Deion Sanders is the only person, let alone top 50 people who can get these kids to the NFL or get the NIL money, then it looks like you've been spending too much time on that beachfront property in Kansas you keep trying to sell me.
slapshots1515 t1_iz2l1yl wrote
So it’s a pure coincidence that Hunter, the first recruit of his caliber to go to an HBCU pretty much ever, just happened to decide to do so right after NIL money became a thing with a coach who is basically one of the most marketable people on the planet purely out of the goodness of his heart to strive for HBCU’s everywhere.
You can believe it because he said a few nice things about Doug Williams and Jerry Rice, but a) if his big goal was to be HBCU Jesus, he wouldn’t have taken about ten seconds after Deion left to announce his transfer like he just did, and b) that would have been a financial disaster the likes we haven’t seen since people were giving Bernie Madoff money.
I get it man: you really seem to want these kids to be these altruistic crusaders. They’re not, and it’s ok that they’re not. I’m not even saying Deion didn’t sell it that way, and I’m not saying the kids don’t believe it some. But when the chips are down, NFL and NIL is what matters to them.
donkeylipsh t1_iz56x6y wrote
Your entire argument rest on the belief that Deion fucking Sanders is the only person on earth who can get these kids NIL or to the NFL. And that is absolute bullshit.
If Deion Sanders was so good, he wouldn't have to have gone to an HBCU. If Deion Sanders was so good, he wouldn't have to go to 1-11 Colorado.
These kids had offers to other schools and coaches who are FAR better at securing NFL roster spots and NIL money.
And every one of those players who had those opportunities passed them up to join Deions crusade.
There is no coincidence that some dude sold young kids that building HBCU's is a calling from god, a mission for black men to stand in solidarity and lead their race during the peak of racial unrest in America.
slapshots1515 t1_iz59bzr wrote
It absolutely does not, if you actually read instead of wish.
There’s about one kid your comment really applies to, Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter who, as a DB, gets to be the premier protege of a guy considered among the best DBs of all time. Travis Hunter, who as a result of this got a ton of publicity and now gets to play at a Power 5 school anyways. Travis Hunter who, for all of his talk about Jerry Rice and Walter Payton, immediately jumped ship as soon as Deion left.
If all these kids cared so damn much about reinventing HBCUs and being a leader for their race they would be staying at Jackson State. Instead, they are all leaving with Deion. It was always about Deion.
I’m sorry you bought into the narrative so hard, but that’s what it was: a narrative, a sell job, a recruiting tool. Sure, I don’t believe either Deion or these kids want to hurt HBCUs, but if it really was about what you say it was, they wouldn’t be leaving.
Making people into something they aren’t is a dangerous thing. Again, I tell you that these kids weren’t going to be the saviors of HBCUs, but that’s ok. Honestly, what they’ve already done for HBCUs is at least a step in the right direction, and now others need to step up and move it forward.
But, you are trying to make a bunch of 18-21 year old kids into holy warriors that they just aren’t. And if you do that, you’ll often find reality is disappointing. All of this-Deion jumping ship for a P5 and taking all the good kids with him-was utterly inevitable and completely predictable to anyone not drinking kool-aid.
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