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A lot of people praying for him and he continues to get better. Another proof that the lord is doing his work.

Or science….

Just excellent......

It’s going to be a long process but I can’t wait until he gets to leave that hospital and be with family and friends

Probably a mix of both a bit

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It’s weird that the lord does most of his miracles in hospitals, isn’t it?

Who said that ?

No, more of a correlation between having a large Christian population and being a developed nation with modern hospitals and top of the line medical professionals.

One of those is actually helping him, the other is praying for him.

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I don't know why you're getting downvoted. Believe whatever you want. The important thing is he is improving

It is a bit of both probably 🙏

I pray that you’ll stop thinking that prayer does anything to help someone in the hospital

Woulda been chill if God had kept his heart from stopping in the first place

Jesus said “I’ll mostly be working in hospitals from here on out”. Interesting that you’ve never heard that famous quote.

Yea it’s a shame humans are the ones that have to do the lords work and he gets all the credit.

Sky daddy doesn't give a shit about you.

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When I heard he was conscious and talking I was so ridiculously happy. I used to work for the company the invented the defibrillator and who provides the AEDs for the NFL. We talked so much about how low the survival rate of a heart attack was, and how outcomes were significantly improved with prompt, properly performed CPR and defibrillation. I conceptually understood that, but watching this... it's different seeing it.

For the all things the NFL is, prepared for a medical emergency is one thing they got right. I wasn't there and I don't know everything that took place, but what I did see looked like the best case scenario. This so easily could have been a tragedy. Honestly, I thought it would be. I'm so pleased I was wrong.

Have you ever heard the saying about “if you don’t have anything nice to say , don’t say anything at all?”

Like what do you gain from putting out that negative energy?

What do you have to gain by negating all the years of hard work that the tens or hundreds of people put into making sure someone like Damar would live?

Attributing this result to anything other than hard work, good planning, passionate people, and science is disingenuous and a straight up lie. It's comments like that that encourage anti-science sentiment. "Oh it couldn't have been hard work and science, because God does everything".

Religion is the reason vaccines aren't trusted, and that polio is making a come back.

So what do I gain? Maybe I don't get polio, or another preventable infectious disease that we had the opportunity to eradicate. Using preventable diseases is an easy target, but the same argument can be applied to anything that religions are pushing.

Ultimately, religious people (specifically Christians) need to realize that it is our society and the people that make it up that makes "miracles" happen and not literal magic. I think understanding that there is someone out there who dedicated their life to understanding something well enough to help another human being to survive a nearly fatal freak accident is a good way to gain some appreciation for the people around us, and quit hating immigrants or LGBTQ people.

Nothing in his comment negated the hard work people have done , you’re just looking for a reason to hate

God didn't save Damar Hamlin's life, people did.

That's an important distinction to make.

Not really though, you’re just trying to shit on the dude for praying and being religious.

Making the distinction doesn’t do shit

Ok.

Childish response

Dont be naive. It was a bit of both. Why so much hate on believers?

Why does the church cover up the sexual abuse of children?

Why does the church promote genocide against minorities?

Why do religious people overwhelmingly support cops killing innocent people, and allowing mentally unstable people to buy guns, while also voting to defund mental health initiatives?

Seems to me there's lots of reasons to be distrustful, weary, and generally uncomfortable with believers.

What does all this have to do with god? Nothing. Why are you full of so much hate?

That's where the sick are. If I was a lord assigned to the task, I would also go to the hospitals.

> if you don’t have anything nice to say , don’t say anything at all?

That's a disgusting "rule". I don't want to be in a society where people are dishonest and afraid to tell the truth.

If everyone only ever says nice things it becomes meaningless. You won't know what they really think.

All you are saying is that your ego is too fragile to handle criticism, and you need to be coddled, truth has to be hidden away from you.

That’s where doctors are. Hospitals don’t make people better, doctors do.

Yes, doctors are there as well, no question about it. But still as a lord looking to do miracles, hospital is exactly the place where I would go if I wanted to maximise the amount of miracles I've performed.

He could of said it in a more constructive and nice way than: Sky daddy doesn’t give a shit about you.

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No, not “as well”, the only reason people get better in hospitals is because of doctors. Remove them and suddenly there are no more “acts of God” because there never were. No one deserves credit except the doctors and nurses, and especially not some made up entity in the sky.

I agree with that, but I disagree with the fact that it's weird that all the miracles would happen in the hospital if this made up entity existed. I think that would be expected since this is where the most opportunities for miracles would be.

But imagine working tirelessly, researching and constructing a way to help people, to only then some people claim that it was a miracle performed by some sort of made up entity taking away all the credit from yourself. How is this in any way remotely okay?

Because he's taking credit away from the actual work that is being done to help the person. It's very untrue and insulting.

I didn’t say that was ok. I just said he could of been better with the delivery of his message like you phrased it. Collective people, knowledge, and experience helped produce a great outcome for Hamlin. No reason to shit on someone’s religion and say their god doesn’t care about them. That’s not productive and it’s an attack instead of information.

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You literally called Hamlin getting better proof that prayer works. Why would people not think you are mentally challenged?

My dude, you could ask a thousand medical professionals if a well treated patient thanking God offends them, and makes them feel insulted that people are thanking God before them and all their years of hard work, and 1000 of them would say no.

Let people express themselves. No need to tear the dude down.

Christians who attribute any bit of a good outcome to prayer are deluded people. Take that as you will. In my personal experience, religiosity is a trauma response/coping mechanism. It doesn’t make them bad or not worthy of everything good life has to offer, but it does make them naive. They may not understand or care how disrespectful it is to downplay the efforts of medical professionals saving a man’s life by saying it’s, “probably a mixture of the doctors and the prayer.” It’s not. Obviously. In only 1 of 2 scenarios does Hamlin not die on that field. It’s not the one where everyone immediately starts mass prayer.

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

What a BS claim.

I’m happy I was your first comment reply in 70 days.

You can ask and they will say no to appear humble and political. They would appear conceited if they said yes.

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Happy tears!

So,it’s just Christians who do this,or is it only Christians that you have issue with?

Wut?

Exactly. Look how much shit Arian Foster was getting when people found out he was atheist. He would've been in a better position if he appeared humble and just "thanked God" for his hardwork in football

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No, we don't do it to appear humble. No one does it for the credit

No he isn't though

Single, double, or triple?

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Was one of his miracles stopping Damar's heart?

Because the reason Damar survived is that everybody followed their training. Him recovering after briefly losing his heartbeat is not "miraculous", it's was actually pretty likely because of the prompt care he got.

His heart stopping on a routine play like that is much more unlikely. Maybe some divine intervention from some twisted diety who also likes to give children cancer and can make food appear out of nowhere (Exodus 16:1–36) but chooses to let people starve to death.

Are you talking on behalf of all medical professionals?

> Was one of his miracles stopping Damar's heart?

I don't believe it was a miracle. I fully believe everything has a cause and effect and randomness is just something we don't have good tools to determine. I also have no reason to believe that any sort of lord would exist. It could exist, but there's no way to tell. And if it did exist it would be impossible to determine whether any of it was a miracle.

> His heart stopping on a routine play like that is much more unlikely. Maybe some divine intervention from some twisted diety who also likes to give children cancer and can make food appear out of nowhere (Exodus 16:1–36) but chooses to let people starve to death.

Yes, if there's a lord it seems that it really doesn't care and it might seem more likely that the World is being simulated by this lord for example entertainment or research purposes. But even then if a lord is simulating everything, and can intervene with certain actions that could be considered miracles, if the game was to score as many points as possible, the lord would be able to do that in the hospital. So maybe it's a video game, where you have to score as many points doing miracles.

Lol fair point. I always make the argument that either God is omnipotent and doesn't care about us, or isn't omnipotent and we shouldn't care about god

There is no doubt in my mind that this incident will save dozens of lives in the future as people will have a better idea as to what to do.

You literally have an imaginary friend.

God could be all knowing, all powerful and loving in its own terms if you imagine it being some sort of programmer who created this software for simulating us. He (or whichever gender) could be all knowing in the sense that at any given moment he can check the state of the system and all powerful that he can tweak the state or save/load, and loving in the sense that he totally loves the system he built. It keeps him entertained for years. And he's not even a psychopath, because he thinks it's all just code, and he's otherwise a kind person irl.

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As a critical care doctor who sees dozens of patients following cardiac arrest every year, this is about as good of an outcome as can be reasonably expected. Based on the publicly available information, I figure he would be at least in the top 10%, if not the top 5% of outcomes I’ve seen in my career. I was so relieved when they said he was awake and writing.

Pretty sure it was the doctors and trainers. Must suck to be brainwashed by a cult.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a pro-religious comment like this on Reddit before lol

As a Jew, I can confidently say that Jews in this situation are all praying for their loved one to be taken to the best doctor available. No one is praying for magic:)

Yeah, because thinking that asking a make believe sky man for help will do anything is super grown up.

There are a lot of studies showing that prayers help. Just look it up.

Your sentence doesn’t make sense lol

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Ok

Seriously, it feels like it’s straight out of a relatives Facebook comments

But at the same time, when you listen to his family, friends, players, etc, they're all saying, "Pray for him," "keep him in prayers," ask God to heal him," and the like. It's funny how people who don't believe in prayer suddenly become quite religious in a crisis. If people need to believe in something during such situations, is there some harm?

Maybe they’re religious

My suggestion is that many people suddenly become "religious" during a crisis. Probably more than a suggestion and more of a fact. At such times in people's lives, everything changes, and everything becomes worthwhile if it makes them feel better

It's caused my office to note that we don't have a defibrillator on site. We're fixing that now.