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Mikimao t1_j6d5rgq wrote

Reply to comment by Lambily in Levito wins first U.S. women's figure skating title by IslandChillin

>I wouldn't shine a light on her successes in any argument other than to illustrate how much of a vice grip Russia has over the figure skating governing body.

Her success didn't come out of no where. She still went to, skated in, and won all of those events with elements that would be scored that way to the letter of the sport. Her technique isn't my favorite either, it isn't what I personally teach, but I can't deny how they would be called in any competition in the world.

It wasn't like she was missing those elements and winning, whatever corruption there was, and there was plenty, was still predicated on those girls going and landing their programs flawlessly, which in turn means those girls are landing those jumps when the pressure was on.... consistently.

Anyways, again, the point stands. If the complaint against Levito is she jumps like a two time World Champ, you aren't grasping what was really being said in my original comment. My point was, you can rely on her to land her stuff in competition, and the arguments against were splitting hairs because they don't like the lineage of the technique...

Clearly you understand why I, as a professional in the sport, couldn't be using that line of reasoning with say... one of my own athletes. To suggest she isn't going to be fully scored, and well, would be a major disservice to your ability to parse what is actually happening in the competition.

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Lambily t1_j6d6f57 wrote

The Japanese and Canadian ladies all had their Lutz edges miraculously called at the 2018 Olympics. Medvedeva? None. It's magical how judges develop astigmatism any time a Russian skates and 20/20 vision any time anyone else skates.

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Mikimao t1_j6dc78h wrote

>Medvedeva? None.

I mean, I could show you video evidence of exactly why she doesn't get a call. Just because a large group of people online feel a specific way, doesn't mean it's cheating. I am eligible to be on a technical panel, I've seen plenty of examples of her doing a "passable" lutz. It isn't a shock those who are actually on the technical panel see the same thing...

If we really want to talk about cheating, there was literally a doping scandal a year ago, one that directly correlates to two major advantages the Russians have at this moment, but this issue isn't one what is being put out on the ice. They are, for all intents and purposes, putting a lot of effort into ensuring what they do gets by, and they are throwing training time at it... and it shows.

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Lambily t1_j6dekbn wrote

What shows are the results of preferential treatment and rampant doping. Nothing more; nothing less. When you can physically train more because of "grandpa's water", you tend to get more consistent jumps. When a certain coach is taking out ISU judges out to expensive dinners before a competition, subjectivity is called into question.

Regardless, I suspect we won't be seeing eye to eye on this topic. I just threw in my two cents. Have a good one.

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Mikimao t1_j6di9un wrote

>When you can physically train more because of "grandpa's water", you tend to get more consistent jumps.

No disagreement, but then you have to make the next logical conclusion, because you can't have it both ways... They are either doping and it's getting results which then ties the hands of the judges (Hint: it's this one) or you can say they are getting favors that doesn't have to do with their skill... but not both. They wouldn't need to dope if they were getting rampant favors... they dope to ensure they have an advantage come time to look at things with a closer lens.

Then you really have to consider, you don't even know what you don't know. Do you understand how small of a world figure skating is? I am not a major player in the sport, and I personally know 5 of the 9 judges that were on the panel for the Women's free skate, two of which I competed against for years, lol. If some yahoo on reddit who is involved can know half the panel just by happenstance, what are the odds the coaches with people in the actual even know EVERYONE? I can assure you, it's 100%.

Hell, even as a developing skater myself, the number of times an official took me aside and told me things off the record couldn't even be counted on one hand. What you are describing is just part of daily life in the sport. The deeper in you are, the more everyone just knows everyone and who they know... it's just how it is, everywhere.

Do you really think the well connected US coaches, like say Artunian, are just sticking their head in the sand and don't know inside out who the people on the panel are? Or do you maybe think they have done a little greasing of the wheels also, and what Eteri does with the officials she has influence on isn't all that different then what I have personally seen coaches in the US do... you are describing a standard practice, for better or worse. Not a specific offense of the Russians.

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