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banjomin t1_j7mw1px wrote

“417’s most tired and boring menus of ‘23”

Wait wait,

“417’s most safe-feeling restaurants for non-springfield residents venturing into the big scary city”

Last one,

“417’s restaurants that paid to be on this list, ranked by their donation amount”


ThumYorky t1_j7njat3 wrote

The fact that Classic Rock coffee is 2nd place on a list that doesn’t even have Coffee Ethic shows you the exact demographic of people who vote in this.


mb10240 t1_j7pt9qf wrote

Might be downvoted into hell, but Coffee Ethic is overpriced and isn’t as good as Mudhouse.


ThumYorky t1_j7pwufm wrote

CE is expensive but the quality of their roasts is very high. I’ve always felt like I’m getting my money’s worth.

If you’re looking flavored or latte drinks Mudhouse is fantastic. But if you’re like me and a huge nerd/fan of single origin light roast, CE is by far the best options. And tbh, they’re not as expensive as other third-wave shops in other cities.


cusini t1_j7q1atl wrote

I’m with you. I don’t think it’s overly expensive either.


Cthepo t1_j7pvv0e wrote

I'd conceed overpriced. I think their black coffee is better, but Mudhouse does things like lattes better. IMO it's hard to qualify coffee shops because you can have so many different things on the menu.


Redditor_PC t1_j7sxwoq wrote

I agree that Coffee Ethic definitely deserves a spot on the list, but I adore Classic Rock too. Two of my fave shops in town.


Trixxxxxi t1_j7n7q6x wrote

Pretty much. Most of the places listed are fine and good, but nothing special about most of them.


MacAttack2015 t1_j7mxecb wrote

The fact that Mexican Villa even makes it on the list is very, very, very telling. I’ll go ahead and disregard the results of this list lol.


goldencrisp t1_j7n0tk3 wrote

If Villa is on the list I’m not even going to read it


jmdybf t1_j7n6wye wrote

The whole list is 90% disagree for me


Wyldfire2112 t1_j7rda37 wrote

The list is a popular vote, so looks like your opinion is in the minority.


JonnyG24 t1_j7ni5ux wrote

If anything it legitimizes the list. Looks like y’all are wrong about the Villa.


Skanky_Cat t1_j7myvw8 wrote

How is Mexican Villa on here at all and no mention of Perches??

Or Thai Express over Everyday Thai for that matter?


Miserable_Figure7876 t1_j7ndu8p wrote

It's a popularity contest chosen by voters, so that should be taken into account.

I keep wanting to get Michelin to send critics for local restaurants, but they keep refusing.


Globalksp OP t1_j7nfszi wrote


Hell I’d settle for Zagat!


Cloud_Disconnected t1_j7npo5h wrote

>It's a popularity contest chosen by voters...

So it's just like Reddit then. Just with a different demo.


bobone77 t1_j7oa2uw wrote

No restaurants here rise to the level of even 1 Michelin star. Not that every restaurant is bad, just that Michelin has standards.


Low_Tourist t1_j7okxin wrote

I'm not sure any restaurants here would be a 3 star in a AAA guidebook. Forget about Michelin!


Miserable_Figure7876 t1_j7p99qt wrote

Are you all implying that Lambert's Cafe isn't a paragon of fine dining and beautiful food presentation? /s


Trixxxxxi t1_j7n7fgk wrote

Because it's a shit ass list. Tinga Tacos being 2nd best taco. Get the fuck out of here. Shit ass tacos.


brainkandy87 t1_j7t4jfp wrote

Thai Express is complete dogshit. I absolutely can’t wrap my mind around how that place is so popular.


MartonianJ t1_j7nb24e wrote

Because Mexican Villa is good. So is Tinga Tacos. I think we can all agree though that the Cesar’s choice is 👍


the_honeyman t1_j7my0p0 wrote

417 Mag is nothing more than a popularity contest judged by who can spend the most money these days.


Goblin4Morrison t1_j7nlnuv wrote

Literally know a business owner who paid big dollars for a “recommendation” in the magazine


Low_Tourist t1_j7o59hl wrote

That's pretty much how it works. The bigger the ad spend, the "better" your place is, coupled with how much ass licking you'll do when they come in to your establishment.


Goblin4Morrison t1_j7rj5xx wrote

Knowing this particular person, I’m sure she had her tongue clear up that anus


armenia4ever t1_j7nxiqn wrote

Mexican Villa is on this list = this list is now very suspect.


Wyldfire2112 t1_j7opjgj wrote

It's Reader's Choice popular vote, and in third place. They may not be great, but they're not bad and they're super recognizable.


Mechanicallvlan t1_j7mwyhw wrote

I saw this yesterday, and I think the most conspicuously bad results are #1 and #2 in Chinese. I really don't like those winners for Sweet Treats either. And these lists always make me feel sad about the pizza options in this town.


Globalksp OP t1_j7mxamc wrote

Speaking for the pizza... yes. However, at least the editors called out Therefore Pizza. And while it's by far not my favorite style, Pizza House has a passable tavern style pie. But, yes the city deserves (maybe? I'm hoping so) better pizza. Hang tight ;)

For me the most conspicuously bad result is the fine dining category! Neither Progress nor The Order nor Harvest are listed and those are the top 3 in town.


banjomin t1_j7myfth wrote

Imagine saying Jimm’s is fine dining while harvest and progress are in the room.


Globalksp OP t1_j7mz8ms wrote

This is an apropos way of describing the act of living in Springfield.

Well played.


banjomin t1_j7n0msi wrote

lol you got downvoted for that, maybe Jimm and the Tan brothers are monitoring this post.


Globalksp OP t1_j7nfhvv wrote

It’s my goal to not rag on anyone as I assume everyone is trying. That said, I’ve never even heard of Jimm’s so meant it less as a jab to them.

Also people here seem unable to withstand criticism of Springfield. Maybe it’s the Jersey in me, but I’m capable of both love and honesty.


cmiller727 t1_j7ntip8 wrote

I genuinely like Jimms but also agree that its not in the top 3 for fine dining!


Wyldfire2112 t1_j7rh7ve wrote

Jimm's has been around for forever, though it used to be under a different name. It was originally called Steak & Ale, then the owners retired and sold the place to one of the staff, Jim, who renamed it Jimm's and kept the place going.

Used to be the best steakhouse in town up until the last few years when quality has slipped, plus they emphasize quality service and have a very nice ambiance, which is likely why it gets so many fine dining votes.

People know and love the place, and many have probably never heard of the other two. I know I haven't.


417SKCFAN t1_j7rw774 wrote

You’re a bit off on the history. Steak and Ale was a national chain that went bankrupt and closed in 2008. Ownership didn’t change hands, Jimm Swafford was the manager of Steak and Ale, the building owner was Errett Sechler who wasn’t interested in running the place when it closed, but a year later changed his mind and let Jimm open and run the place as a tenant. Sechler died in 2019 and the family sold their properties, including Plaza Tower’s and Jimm’s to Marco Denis.,72070


Saltpork545 t1_j7tst6j wrote

This, plus I wouldn't be at all surprised if 417mag didn't include young professionals. I've spent 17 years in Springfield, all of my 20s and most of my 30s and I've paid attention to what 417mag says like 10 times, including this.

I remember Steak & Ale. It was good. Far from the best but good. It was an old school steakhouse and so is Jimm's. I haven't been in several years so I can't say anything about the quality post covid. When I want a steak I go buy one and make it myself.


shavedcow t1_j7n87af wrote

Who buys this circle jerk shit anyway?


JonnyG24 t1_j7ndq2w wrote

Lol. Came here for the circle jerk comment. It’s exactly what this magazine is.


Globalksp OP t1_j7nfp29 wrote

For the record I did not buy it, merely stumbled upon it.


Globalksp OP t1_j7muowe wrote

My text for this post since links can't add text: A skewed vision and report of the food scene in the city to be sure, but perhaps worthy of discussion/bitching/mockery/sharing/etc...


rectangularbitchboy t1_j7o30et wrote

I’ll vouch for Golden Girls, Cafe Cuzco, and Mimi’s Soul Food, but everything else feels off


FrankTankly t1_j7phhr1 wrote

Well, at least they got best cocktails right.

I don’t understand how Harvest isn’t even on the list for best fine dining.

Bad. Bad list.


Wyldfire2112 t1_j7rdp9o wrote

It's a popular vote. Amazing how many people slamming the list because their favorite isn't where they want it don't understand this is a popular vote.

It's not on the list because not enough people voted for it. Period. End of story.

Doesn't matter how good the food is if they don't have a big enough fanbase, and I've never heard of Harvest before now.


FrankTankly t1_j7revqq wrote

I understand that, and it’s all well and good. But popularity unfortunately does not equal quality, so what is even the point of this list?

They even brand it as “Best” of 417, which is a misnomer if all they’re doing is tallying popularity, so again, what’s even the point? By this logic McDonalds should absolutely top several categories.

And look Harvest up, it’s fantastic.


Wyldfire2112 t1_j7rizn8 wrote

People wouldn't vote for McDonald's as their favorite Fast Food joint, though.

The idea is that they go and ask people what their favorite food places are, and the ones the most people say are their favorite are "the best."


FrankTankly t1_j7rmm7n wrote

I absolutely know people who would vote for McDonalds as their favorite fast food place, unfortunately.

My point, again, is that if all this boils down to a popularity contest, then why even do it? And if it’s going to be done regardless, then why not be transparent with how the list is presented. “Most popular in 417” would attract just as much attention and then would avoid all this nonsense about what restaurants are “better” than others.


Wolverkeen t1_j7o8fzc wrote

And the winners are..........the same restaurants that have won for the past 8-15 years. Why? Because 417 is a magazine for dentist office waiting rooms and semi-affluent straight white people.

Put me on that list, because 417 Magazine just got ROASTED and SERVED.


UNslientROBERT t1_j7pa17e wrote

Well I think we can all agree that this is a dumpster fire of a list.


npcrites t1_j7px8lp wrote

Kinda terrible list


spuente1206 t1_j7qbng2 wrote

Those might be the worst takes I’ve ever seen


daQueen1011 t1_j7neyhc wrote

Jim’s Steakhouse is garbage. Terrible service and steaks are bland.


Low_Tourist t1_j7o5jaj wrote

The last two times I went in, they tried to pass off sirloin as strip. Once is an unacceptable accident. Twice is your modus operandi.


Ipuncholdpeople t1_j7ocxqw wrote

I'm not mad I'm just disappointed (ok I'm kinda mad. How did Mexican villa make it, and everyday thai not be the best? I know it's reader submitted, but god damn)


Wyldfire2112 t1_j7rhzrf wrote

You just answered your own question.

Everyday Thai is great, but the location is awkward enough that a lot of people probably never want to mess with it, and Mexican Villa is a local institution despite the quality being only passable.


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MrPKitty t1_j7s7rwd wrote

You people gotta get over Mexican Villa. Nothing about it is good.