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BaroquenLarynx t1_irzgr89 wrote
Lived in my car for a bit when I first got to Springfield. Cops were hassling me every few hours, nightly. Made it very hard to keep my job, since I was always exhausted. Was awful on my girlfriend, who needed to have space that was ours to be able to be comfortable. Cannot recommend around here.
Car/Van living seems awesome until you need a gym membership to shower, and you're constantly looking for bathrooms and water sources. Not to mention, you need a way to eat hot food, which you didn't purchase from a vendor.
Is rent awful? Sure. But, having lived in my car, I'd never trade it for a roof over my head, a stove at my disposal, and a hot shower whenever I want.
mangogetter t1_irzhz20 wrote
Beyond that, Vanlife Instagram tends to center itself around fairly temperate climates, like CA and the PNW. There's a reason for that.
Here in SGF, we have Real Winter and Hot AF Summer. The amount of (expensive) gas you're looking at to maintain safe and comfortable temps in a small, poorly-insulated (at least relative to basically any conventional dwelling) van is very, very high.
BaroquenLarynx t1_irzigei wrote
100%. Around here, winter will be cold, and summer will be hot. You've got to make up for that somehow.
The easiest way is to ensure you have a dwelling which is well insulated. A vast majority of vehicles are not well insulated.
mangogetter t1_irzj2yq wrote
It's just basic physics - you've got very inside air, and unless you're holding it at temperature, the retained heat/cold in the seats/bedding/everything is fighting against you constantly. And to make matters worse, you open a door and lose most of whatever hot/cold air you tried to create. And then of course, it's small, so you're constantly getting cold/heat conducted in through the outside walls/glass, which are never more than a foot or two from you. Compare that to an apartment, where the outside walls are thick and heavy/dense, and you've got other warm/cool airboxes on 2-5 sides of your air-box. Vanlife seems romantic, but unless you're doing it somewhere where living in an actual tent would be tolerable, it isn't.
BaroquenLarynx t1_irzlz7n wrote
You hit the nail on the head. Excellent explanation.
greenybeanybunny t1_is15cjr wrote
hi I wasn't asking about temperature lol, I appreciate the feedback tho
mangogetter t1_is19cnx wrote
If you're not considering temperature as a safety risk, you're not ready to live in a van in Springfield MO.
mangogetter t1_is19wd7 wrote
Consider: the best and cheapest way to keep your van cool and comfortable on a warm/hot night is to open windows while you sleep. Except now you're more vulnerable to assault/theft/whatnot than you were before.
Netzapper t1_is2gkgi wrote
And insects.
Low_Tourist t1_is1jdju wrote
Climate control IS a major safety issue. People die from exposure.
greenybeanybunny t1_irzlezb wrote
I understand, I am asking specifically about safety in Springfield. (weird people, break ins, shootings)
Wyldfire2112 t1_irzumwv wrote
Your biggest problem, as mentioned, is it's illegal and you're going to be constantly hassled by police if you park anywhere you can be found.
That means your biggest danger is going to frequent interaction with the police... which definitely has the possibility of you getting shot, and they're probably gonna be pretty weird as well.
mangogetter t1_irzhs9i wrote
And just to be clear about the scope of the issue: Springfield has an anti-camping ordinance which also extends to sleeping in vehicles. Even on private property. So even if you had a kind friend who said you could park in their driveway, if one of their neighbors complained or a cop happened to notice, you'd be forced to move.
socialistpizzaparty t1_is1b3wj wrote
Wow I didn’t realize that ordinance applied to my own driveway… yikes.
Illustrious-Leave406 t1_is188aw wrote
So much for freedom.
mangogetter t1_is1ac81 wrote
Freedom is for members of the Chamber of Commerce only.
Always_0421 t1_is1o2sq wrote
It's a zoning issue....and there is no zoning for it...one of the reasons I refuse to live in greene County.
Advanced_Car1599 t1_is81yv4 wrote
Freedoms do not exist when government is in place.
Spiffy_Dude t1_is0g3c0 wrote
This is the most absurd thing though. Making it illegal to be homeless is supposed to solve the problem I guess? Making it illegal to not hand landlords half or more of your monthly income when you’re in poverty? That seems totally cool.
Sgthouse t1_is0mdny wrote
Well, I mean making it illegal worked for drugs, so why not try it with homelessness too?
mangogetter t1_is0oroc wrote
I'm not saying it is a good idea. (It is not.) It is, however, the reality.
_ism_ t1_is07ne5 wrote
I m a woman and had to live out of my car before and during the pandemic. Finding legal and safe parking where you're allowed to sleep was a bit of a challenge. Sure you're less likely to be spotted inside a van but it might get more scrutiny from the neighbors including business owners and this was the biggest reason I didn't get enough sleep was having to get up and drive to another spot in the middle of the night because neighbors or cops or, in one case, other homeless people found my spot and were pounding on my windows.
socialistpizzaparty t1_is1a429 wrote
We need safe overnight parking lots specifically for vehicle dwellers. I’ve seen YouTube videos about that sort of thing popping up in larger metros. Not sure the NIMBYs would let it happen though, but you’d think it would be better to have one or more safe spaces rather than people parked on random streets. 🤷♂️
mangogetter t1_is1ahv0 wrote
We specifically fought for this during covid when shelters were closed and got very much nowhere.
Low_Tourist t1_is1ipfl wrote
That's been one of the homeless/unhoused biggest - for lack of a better term - rallying cries. Get people in one area to administer assistance. The city of Springfield is the NIMBY in this case.
ao8520 t1_is050kv wrote
No.
garcia_later t1_is09j18 wrote
This isn’t specifically helpful but all this talk about Instagram fantasy vs reality reminded me for some reason that a good example of this is that bear grills on that show would make it look like he was roughing it and then him and his producers would pack it up and go to a hotel and order room service. Image vs reality.
robzilla71173 t1_is0shta wrote
Les Stroud for the win all day long.
Regular_Sample_5197 t1_is0vxpd wrote
Yeah, I think was the only one of those guys that actually came the closest to actually surviving. That’s why he did way less “risky” things than Bear did. People would say that Les’s show was “boring”. Yeah, there’s a reason for that…he didn’t have a massive support crew with him.
robzilla71173 t1_is0z5nx wrote
As he pointed out in an interview once, he also has to go twice as far because he has to keep going back to pick up his camera after the shot. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Gryll's because he's just fun. Tea on top of a balloon canopy dressed as Lord Admiral Nelson? That's a guy you party with. But certainly Les was the more sensible of the two when it came to surviving. Nobody really drinks water out of elephant dung if they intend to stay healthy. That's something you do because you know you'll be back in town close to a hospital after the shoot is over.
dhrisc t1_is0jg3z wrote
Idk the stats for springfield, but I've read the stat from a source I trust that like 30+% of women who experience homelessness are the victim of some sort of physical or sexual assault in the average year. A van probably affords a lot of protection but it's still going to expose you to greater risk. Unless you have a great spot to park, or drive out to an overnight spot at at some sort of park outside of time, and unless you have an endgoal in mind I wouldn't risk it.
mangogetter t1_is0pb3f wrote
It's not 30%. It's like 95%, at least around here. Basically every homeless woman I know (and I know most of them) has been assaulted at some point.
dhrisc t1_is0qsau wrote
It's sad af. People talk so much trash on homeless folks as if their mere existence is such an inconvenience, meanwhile it's such a stressful and dangerous way to have to actually live. I don't understand how so many in our community can be so uncaring.
Arc-ansas t1_is0qtvg wrote
Real question is why would you want to stay in SGF if you're doing van life? Go see national parks, live in cool cities.
greenybeanybunny t1_is18aak wrote
great question! main points being: no rent, finally owning something of my own, I plan to work one month and take off a month to travel, this was supposed to be a starting point for my life but everyone in the comments is making it sound like it might not be as good of an idea as it seems
Low_Tourist t1_is1lf52 wrote
Honestly, it seems like you haven't even figured out how to Vanlife or have a nomadic lifestyle yet. You need to constantly have income coming in.
I have some acquaintances that do this, and they show the glamourous side, but not always the real side. They're not showing when they get up in the middle of the night to teach English to kids in China or that their job for the next 4-6 weeks is backbreaking labor on a farm.
You keep saying "to have something of my own." I'm not sure what you mean by that, It's not like a tiny parcel of land, or even an investment that will increase in value. It's just like any other car or other vehicle.
Almost no one living this life is doing it alone. The best suggestion is to rent one and test it out. Se if you really want to do this after having the experience.
Beneficial_Trainer_5 t1_is1vfkr wrote
I’ve been homeless in my life many times. Sometimes with a vehicle, sometimes without. It is what you make it. You HAVE to carry a gun if you want any semblance of safety. Besides that, get a gym membership so you can shower or go to truck stops. But I wouldn’t be homeless around here. You should head further south or west and I think you can make it enjoyable
helloporator t1_is09k9h wrote
Definitely not.
renny065 t1_is0rosw wrote
I don’t know much about vanlife, so these may be dumb questions … but I’ll ask anyway. Isn’t it more of a travel lifestyle? I can see how this works if you’re moving around from one campground to another, but I can’t imagine living on city streets this way (where do you shower, easily access bathrooms, etc). With Springfield’s ordinances and crime on the streets at night, it seems a pretty risky way to live. Instagram pictures make this all seem so romantic, but I’m curious how all the practicalities work after the honeymoon period wears off.
littleladwasabi t1_is0k80n wrote
I think Springfield was just ranked the fourth most dangerous college town in America so I'd say no. I know I would feel paranoid sleeping in my car here for sure
Arc-ansas t1_is0qpae wrote
Source? There's no way that's true. Springfield seems very safe compared to Little Rock, Memphis, St Louis, Chicago etc.
Glittering-Plum7791 t1_is2z6q6 wrote
Found this source: https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-college-towns-america/
Arc-ansas t1_is43fsm wrote
Thanks for the source. Seems kind of silly to call some of these cities "college towns", Springfield included. Little Rock and Memphis are not college towns. I would consider Springfield pretty safe.
Glittering-Plum7791 t1_is43p0d wrote
Yeah I agree. Hard to put Pine Bluff and SLC on the same list lol.
greenybeanybunny t1_irzjvdu wrote
thanks for the input so far! I truly appreciate it. I was mainly interested in safety issues in Springfield. I appreciate the feedback about the cops, I wasn't aware this was looked down upon in our town. thanks friends :)
emtrigg013 t1_is06bt9 wrote
If you're dead set on trying out the lifestyle, it won't be your Instagram dream in Springfield. You know the crime rate here. Yes it would happen to you. I don't want to put you down, but being 21 and female, I'm assuming living single, and thinking you can pull off vanlife is not wise unless you truly want to invite more danger to your life. You're only seeing pretty pictures, you're not paying attention to the reality. For the love of God stay safe and don't do anything dumb. I'd hate to read about you on the news.
_ism_ t1_is07wiy wrote
Yeah I already commented before but I'm going to second this. Maybe you could do it if you had tons of savings and parents willing to come rescue you or whatever if something happened but a lot of us don't have that and are just trying to survive because that vehicle is all we had. If other people in the same or Worse situations get to know you in the Springfield at least there is a chance that they will Target you because they feel you're rich for having a vehicle. Unfortunately this is how it is and why I ended up with slashed tires and people pounding on my vehicle while I'm trying to feel safe at night because for some reason a 120 pound girl curled up in a car shivering with a fever because she's got nowhere to stay inside with her illness the other people in the neighborhood feel unsafe.
greenybeanybunny t1_is18o2p wrote
actually I've done plenty of research and I know that there is a reality behind "the pretty pictures". it's bad to assume things about people :)
emtrigg013 t1_isge7jx wrote
I remember being 21, too. Sure, try it for 1 year and give us an update.
blu3dice t1_irzw1e8 wrote
Absolutely not. VanLife is incredibly dangerous but in a city with high property crimes rates?!? What do you think happens when a criminal creeping in the middle of the night is breaking into cars looking for spare change or tools to pawn and they come across a young woman asleep in a car?
You've basically done like 99% of the work for them to murder you....in privacy...with a getaway vehicle.
Vanlife is basically gentrified homelessness.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is0gkwe wrote
I know this sub likes to be dramatic but holy shit you all are acting like you're in a soap opera.
>What do you think happens when a criminal creeping in the middle of the night is breaking into cars looking for spare change or tools to pawn and they come across a young woman asleep in a car?
The obvious answer here is that the vast majority of petty criminals would run away as they would have expected the car to be vacant. Do you think petty thieves just rape on command when they get the opportunity?
Van life is dangerous but there's no way OP isn't aware of that at this point. You're all just parroting the same "I know better than you" bullshit like a crazy aunt with an anxiety disorder.
blu3dice t1_is0zyc8 wrote
>Do you think petty thieves just rape on command when they get the opportunity?
Absolutely. Some sexual assaults are crimes of opportunity.
>a crazy aunt with an anxiety disorder.
That's oddly specific. But anyways, no one is offering unsolicited advice.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is1hmwo wrote
>Absolutely. Some sexual assaults are crimes of opportunity
Lmao thank you for the groundbreaking information. Obviously it happens, but it happens everywhere and it's relatively rare. 80% of sexual assaults happen to someone who knows the suspect.
We're constantly at risk of being victims. Houses are broken in to as well, should we not sleep in our house because of the risk of a rapist burglar?
Hell, most populations are at a higher risk of dying from car accidents than anything else, at what point should we be too afraid to drive?
Danger is everywhere and it's unavoidable. It's okay to be risk-averse, but I don't like the idea of constantly living in fear of the worst case scenario.
>Noone is offering unsolicited advice
Yes they are, read the thread more. People are nagging OP about gas prices and insulation and OP confirms that further down the thread
blu3dice t1_is1lvkx wrote
>It's okay to be risk-averse
Wait, what was your original grievance?
Oh yeah ...that it's fear mongering to tell a young woman that living alone in a van parked in downtown Springfield is dangerous.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is2qr2x wrote
Lmfao I love how out of everything in my comment, the only way you could argue was by quoting a disclaimer out of context. Would you care addressing the other points?
There's a difference between risk-averse and letting fear dominate your life. Risk-averse would be making safe investments and driving the speed limit. Telling a woman (who is obviously very committed to vanlife) that she shouldn't live her dream because she'll get raped by a random petty thief is absolutely fucking ridiculous, overdramatic, and a pathetic comment to make.
Go ahead and live your boring life frozen by fear while OP chases her dreams
By the way, the majority of sexual assaults occur at or near a victims home. Better sell your house!!! /s (the sarcasm is obvious but I know you like to take things out of context)
blu3dice t1_is2uq9q wrote
>Go ahead and live your boring life frozen by fear while OP chases her dreams
Productive conversation.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is2zwa0 wrote
Idk if I'd comment too much if i were you, rapists use reddit!!!
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is0gunm wrote
This sub is extremely overdramatic and they like to pretend everything is a survival mission. Insulation would definitely be the biggest issue but that's not even what you're asking about. Most on this post dont even seem to realize how easy insulating a live-in van is. As long as you're researching sleeping spots and clearing it with landowners beforehand (if necessary), you'll be fine. Pepper spray would help of course but I'd say that about anywhere
mangogetter t1_is0poh2 wrote
No. In Springfield, it is illegal even with the permission of the landowner. Even if I gave you permission to park in my driveway or behind my business, all it takes is one neighbor complaining, and you're being hassled by the cops again.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is0rbct wrote
>illegal even with the permission of the landowner.
Can you give me a source on that? The only law I can find that is close to what you're saying is the one passed earlier this year, banning sleeping unauthorized on state land. I've slept in parking garages and friends driveways absolutely no issue.
>and you're being hassled by the cops again.
I should've made my original point more clear. Getting hassled by the cops is a reality in vanlife that OP will deal with anywhere, not just Springfield. I'm sure OP is aware of this and does not need this whole sub nagging her about it rather than answering her question.
mangogetter t1_is0s8a4 wrote
No, the ordinance in question has been around 5+ years. You can probably find news articles about when we tried to get city council to suspend it in 2020 so people could camp during the pandemic while shelters were closed, and were told to bug off.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is1bydm wrote
Hate to be this way, but the fact that you're still not sourcing your claims make me think you're deceptively phrasing the ordinance. I remember the discussion in 2020 but after combing through the official municipal code list, I'm only finding ordinances that support my claim. I only remember the discussion being about benches, parks, and public streets, which the ordinances back up:
Article IV div. 5 Sec. 78-187: Sleeping or resting on premises. No person shall sleep or rest in any area of a business or commercial establishment unless such area is designated for sleeping or resting, except with consent of the owner or proprietor of such premises. Nothing in this subsection shall apply to the regulation of motor vehicles on business premises.
Article IV div. 5 Sec. 78-188: Prohibited. No person, except the owner, tenant or other person in possession, or their invitees, shall remain upon or about any public or private parking lot, or upon any parking lot provided for the customers, business invitees or employees of any commercial or industrial establishment, at any time any such public or private parking lot shall be closed to use by the public or any such commercial or industrial lot shall be closed to use by customers, business invitees and employees.
Article VI div. 10 Sec 106-440: (a) No motor vehicle, motorcycle, trailer, or similar vehicle shall be left overnight in the city parking system, except in spaces specifically designated for overnight parking. Any vehicle left overnight outside of any such designated spaces will be subject to fine. (b) No person shall camp in any lot or garage which is a part of the city parking system
Article VI div. 10 Sec. 106-435: The Springfield Parking System Defined:
(a) The Springfield parking system means any public parking garage or access-controlled surface lot owned or controlled by the city and listed on a schedule on file in the office of the city clerk as provided for in subsection (b). An access-controlled facility is one in which ingress and egress is capable of being controlled through the use of parking attendants present at the time of use or violation, or automated parking equipment in place and available for use regardless of whether or not such equipment is operational and in actual use at the time of any act which would be a violation of this division. It shall be sufficient for purposes of control that the city has the right to manage or direct who may park within such garage or lot at any time during a 24-hour period.
(b) Upon the concurrence of the director of public works and the city manager, a schedule of those parking garages and access-controlled surface lots (facilities) owned or controlled by the city to which this division shall be applicable shall be filed with the city clerk, and upon the posting of permanent fixed signs indicating that the facility is a part of the "Springfield Parking System" and subject to the restrictions contained within the city codes and citing to this division, the provisions of this section shall take effect for anyone parking or using such lot or garage.
With the exception of the downtown area, it sounds like springfield is full of lots that someone could camp in with the owners permission. It also appears there's no legal risk whatsoever in sleeping in a lot or driveway where you have permission.
You connected many dots that weren't there to begin with
mangogetter t1_is1cgal wrote
I am one of Springfield's leading homelessness advocates, I have served on numerous task forces dealing with this issue, and I'm telling you, this is how it is. I don't have time to look up the letter of the law for you right now, but I can assure you this is the actual practice of the city.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is1gc24 wrote
With all due respect, why should I believe you? I tried and tried to find the ordinance specifically banning sleeping in a car of a driveway or private lot with permission and I can't find it. You claim to not have time, yet you have time to send me a link that is almost entirely unrelated to the issue.
If you're as knowledgeable as you say you are, please link the source and prove me wrong. I will 100% accept that I'm wrong if you would just send me the proof.
mangogetter t1_is1lyra wrote
I don't care if you believe me. But I'm right.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is2r2xt wrote
That's fine.
Just know that did my part while you refuse to do yours. I met my burden of proof, and i even tried to meet your burden of proof while you refused to do so. I did my research and literally can't find anything that backs up your claim, it's obvious that you had the same problem otherwise you would have linked the ordinance rather than an unrelated article.
I very very much respect homelessness advocates and the work that is done, thats why I was very open to hearing your side and being proven wrong. With that said, "one of springfields leading homelessness advocates" should be able to ACTUALLY ADVOCATE for the homeless. I, who has no history in homelessness advocacy or city ordinances, was able to navigate the related ordinances and send them to you pretty quickly. Not that it's hard, it was easy. You, one of springfields leading homelessness advocates who claim to already have knowledge of springfield ordinances, isn't able to do half that??? And yes, you had time to reply to my comments with multiple of your own, so you had time to look up the ordinance if you wanted to.
This is why I have absolutely 0 reason to believe you.
No hard feelings. Have a good day and keep fighting the good fight.
mangogetter t1_is1dhii wrote
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is1fupb wrote
Did you send me the wrong article? This is about setting up cold weather shelters for the winter, and the proposed idea is literally to set them up in the parking lots of willing churches and city owned parking lots. Nothing here says that there is an ordinance banning sleeping in your car in a private lot or driveway with permission.
mangogetter t1_is1kcgg wrote
The point is the city would not allow this, even on private (church) property. We asked, the answer was no. We asked for a car parking lot, and a tent area, and the answer was no, because of the anti-camping ordinance.
mangogetter t1_is1mq1a wrote
"As a result, we do not allow residential living in tents and under tarps on any private or municipal property throughout the community in an unregulated fashion," City Manager Jason Gage said in the letter.
This is also enforced against people sleeping in cars. You can fault my sources, but this is absolutely the policy of this city.
wizard_of-loneliness t1_is1orgp wrote
I'm not faulting your sources and you know that. I'm faulting your communication of your sources which has regularly been inconsistent with what the source actually says. You did it once again with this source. I can't read it bc of the pay wall, but tarps and tents were specifically cited in your quotes while you added "enforced against people sleeping in cars" at the end.
If there really was a city ordinance banning sleeping in cars in private lots and driveways like you claim, you would've found that by now rather than sending me news leader articles and misquoting them. You obviously care that I believe you to an extent, so send me the ordinance that you claim exists.
greenybeanybunny t1_is154jw wrote
LOLLLL YES! I am specifically asking about SAFTEY, not how to survive in a van, I've got that research done
Glittering-Plum7791 t1_is2zt80 wrote
Take a look at this article. https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-college-towns-america/ for the population if Springfield, there is a ton of crime. Maybe just some food for thought. Good luck though!
igolikethis t1_is0qg06 wrote
When it comes to overnight parking, you want to be somewhere it doesn't look odd a vehicle is sitting there at 3am. Places like hotels, car lots, parking garages and apartment complexes (those that don't require usage permits, anyway) are generally more well lit, fairly good chance of having security cameras, and since you won't stick out like a sore thumb, less likely to get hassled.
Try to avoid parking immediately alongside busier streets, particularly with more pedestrian traffic. Granted, big differences, I live at this apartment complex and I have just a regular ol car so people can easily see me when I'm parked nearby the road or alongside the buildings. I'm just a tired ass lady who sometimes passes out the second I park at home so most of the hassling I've received has been out of concern from other residents. They either knock on my window to make sure I'm not dead, or call emergency services. Have had 3-4 instances of each. And then 3 other times, approached by random dudes on foot asking for a ride. Definitely made me feel uncomfortable, enough so I keep a knife in my car now, but they did eventually accept "no" for an answer. I would think a van without windows in the back would help mitigate people trying to approach for whatever reason.
somabva t1_is3g5nv wrote
I think a white work van is 100% the way to go if you want to stay in the city. No windows makes you safer, and a white work van overnight in most parking lots will draw zero attention if you strap some old pipes or a ladder to the roof.
Professional_Fox4467 t1_is3npwy wrote
Lmao oh sweet summer child
SamMarrokson t1_is1zmmy wrote
Were I to try this (and I've been tempted) I'd probably try lots of conservation areas. You can get free camping permits for the area you're in and you'd be isolated. Nice forest sounds too. Gas is a drag but the scenery is great.
Just my two cents, you do you
somabva t1_is3b7bd wrote
The van life most social media sells is bullshit. The people that actually make it work for a lifestyle tend to have jobs that let them work remote, and travel constantly with the seasons. From a temperature comfort perspective Springfield is gonna suck to live out of a van in 8 months out of 12.
Also don't underestimate the costs involved. Living in a van is not free rent. You'll need to move almost daily to avoid hassles, and your van will probably get bad gas mileage. Have to run the van for power or have an alternative plan (obvious solar on the van makes you a target for cops and thieves). Heat in the winter, resources to cook food and keep food cold. Here you'd need to run the van in the summer to cool off too, or have an alternate plan for that. Gym membership or another plan to keep up your personal hygiene as a clean and well groomed vanlifer is less of a target for authority than a dirty one. It's just the way you're perceived.
A cheap van will break down. You'll need to either know how to maintain the van yourself and carry the tools to do so, or have a plan for where to live for 2 days every time your house needs a new water pump or something. You'll be using it a lot more than a vehicle you just drive to work, so count on maintenance being more expensive.
socialistpizzaparty t1_is09k6n wrote
Also doing a van conversion, DM if you want to chat about it!
DumbSmartOfficial t1_is0fm5h wrote
Prob just don't park in north or west side
mangogetter t1_is0prf3 wrote
But if you park in a safer neighborhood, expect a neighbor to call the cops on you more or less instantly.
ao8520 t1_is1o9vv wrote
Or the east or the south tbh
DumbSmartOfficial t1_is50rvf wrote
Or in Springfield, or Missouri or on the planet tbh
Restricted_Access_06 t1_is34bul wrote
Unless you’re armed and proficient with it, no.
eagletron2020 t1_is3oztw wrote
I did it when I first moved here a few months ago. The heat, cold and humidity of almost anywhere except the west coast or the mountains makes vanning pretty miserable. But I read somewhere that the police only enforce the law when reported. I had no problem for almost three weeks but I have a newer and very incognito van and I left town on the weekends. You’d have to keep a very low profile and be strategic about where and when you park and I’m not sure that would be easy to maintain in such a small city
Beneficial_Trainer_5 t1_is1u0s0 wrote
Anything can be safe if you keep a gun on your person or under the pillow
mangogetter t1_irze6l7 wrote
Danger is not so much the issue. "It's illegal, and you will be repeatedly hassled by the cops," is very much the issue.