Submitted by MidwestFescue82 t3_yhgkb9 in springfieldMO
I saw a post stating some false information and wanted to clarify that amendment 3 does NOT infringe upon your 2nd, or 4th amendment rights. You can still own and carry a gun, and if you grow/possess cannabis it doesn't mean that your house can be searched at any time.
Ok, I made a post the other day asking where to vote and to red pill me on these questions
Please explain to me what the hell it actually means or does. I interpreted it to mean it was a tax increase on dispensaries. It's worded so weirdly I have no idea what it is even for.
Give me the quick run down
It's a constitutional amendment that legalizes marijuana use at the state level.
It creates a licensing process for manufacturers, processors, and retailers, as well as carving out a special kind of "micro-business" license for small businesses that are reserved for communities traditionally harmed by the "war on drugs". Taxes would be set at 6% and local communities could add an additional 3%. This is lower than in many other states (including IL) which would probably help increase the amount of business.
It also provides for the expungement of records for those previously convicted of non-violent marijuana related crimes. For those already released, expungement is automatic. Those current in prison would need to file a petition for release.
It allows for personal possession and use and includes protections against being fired or the subject of search for possession or use.
The criticisms against it are that businesses already holding medical marijuana licenses would get first dibs at the new licenses and thereby may not allow for much new entry into the market.
The other is that it does not provide automatic expungement of records for those currently in prison - only those already out. This is due to how the laws regarding expungement are written - not because the creators of the amendment didn't want to.
Overall, this is an excellent bill in my opinion and, if you're in favor of legalization, there is absolutely nothing better on the horizon.
So, yes or no
It makes it recreational and decriminalizes it?
Yes. But as always, only at the state level. It would still be illegal under federal law. However, the feds would have to enforce such as Missouri police would no longer have the authority to do so under this law.
Ok I'll vote yes. I can't think of any reason not to.
Also there are huge legal and civil consequences for state level and down law enforcement assisting any federal law enforcement in the state (thanks to gun owners) so there would be zero federal enforcement of MJ laws here.
The purpose is laid out on page 17. ..
Legalize with limits 21 and over
Allow Gov't to control production
Prevent arrests for for those 21/over within Legal possessions limits
Remove Commercial production from illicit market
Prevent revenue from going to criminal enterprise.
Works for me
Can't wait to arrest legacy growers eh?
Idek what that means. If it decriminalizes it and regulates it then it sounds good to me
No snark, full on prohibition didn't solve points 4, and 5. This language won't either.
Do we really need to continue to learn these lessons?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Ok, so what do you think points 4 and 5 mean?
Prevent crime and transition society to a safer more regulated product.
I don't use so it will not affect me fortunately. It seems like a liberal policy mostly from what I can tell
Prohibition was never successful at stopping the legacy market, how do you think this legilstation will move the legacy market towards the regulated market now fully under control of the MO gov't?
The NAACP has said to vote no on this legislation, because they know who will continue to be arrested.
Thats basically what happened in legal states. It became legal and illicit trade lost a lot of its profit margin. Money is what makes the illegal market function. If the legal market is competitive then they can operate legally. I even watched a podcast by a kingpin that was getting big just as Washington was legalizing. He said the only money in it then was transporting it to states where it was still illegal and after he got out of jail and many more states had legalized he said that was still very much the case in his opinion. That's just one guy I guess but that see s pretty consistent with most states right? The legal businesses replace the illegal ones and a new main stream culture props up and thrives and newer better products emerge.
Decriminalize it and let the market thrive and it probably lead to better for everyone in the very long run. The type of fear mongering you seem to be doing is a lot like people said about Colorado (or maybe I'm confusing it with New Mexico) just before it became the first state to legalize. None of the things people predicted negative came true in Colorado and almost as soon as the state saw this influx of money they changed their tune super fast.
Just let this be the beginning of a better system than what we already have. Isn't it always talked about how the medicinal experiment is just a pathway to recreational? Because people that wanna do it are just gonna do it anyway and medicinal is just the stepping stone t recreational and more positive olicies and stuff can follow.
We gotta stop arresting people for weed. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp.
That's what I want tho
And that is what this amendment does.
Yall are confusing me
What do you have questions about? I'd be happy to try to offer unbiased information about the amendment, with sources.
Alright well it sounds like it decriminalizes pot so I'm gonna vote for it
You can't decrim while protecting regulated cannabis profits.
The two concepts are incompatible.
Classic Missouri
You’re totally correct in that this does not impact your 2nd amendment right. However and Just to be clear, it is still a federal felony to be in possession of a firearm and weed… regardless the outcome of this vote.
That is correct…and the ATF is not your friend as a firearm owner.
I assume you’re not here for the alcohol and tobacco.
I like those things though. Is alcohol and tobacco on the ballot???
So, what if you are carrying a licensed firearm and are in possession of cannabis that you are licensed to recieve? Tia for clarifying.
It is still a federal felony to be in possession of both. Edit: Just to clarify, a user of marijuana may not legally purchase, own, or possess a firearm- even if the specific state allows for the drugs use.
To do the TLDR version…nothing will happen as long as the law enforcement you make contact with isn’t a Federal Agent.
Unless you’re under the influence.
There are no licensed firearms. MO doesn't have a license for you to have a gun.
One of the court cases still making it's way is that MO is one of the only states that punishes local law enforcement for doing the work of federal police. Federal police can still operate but they cannot use local law enforcement to enact their work.
The DOJ doesn't like that, despite it becoming a law. Because of this and the liability that officers face personally as well as the department, a lot of the 'federal only' things have effectively stopped being enforced.
The one caveat I would say to this is that in Mark Twain national forest and other national forests, park rangers have law enforcement abilities and you are on federal land. A joint and a gun walking around a federal park, any federal park, will not end well if you're caught.
As for just going about your day, since ATF or FBI or DEA aren't likely to be around, you're probably okay but it really depends on the location and police force.
It is still a felony to be in possession of controlled substances and a firearm at the same time.
It's also a disqualifier for a lot of federal funding/contracts/grants/aid. My work would lose a multimillion dollar contract if the feds discovered my coworker's medical card.
It's a great initiative. Home grow, expungment, improvements to medical program. 9,000 Missourians were arrested for cannabis last year.
It's 2022 and we had 9000 people arrested for weed last year. Well that's just stupid.
Just grow your own. Anytime you govt and business are combined to overly tax the consumer . The consumer needs to be aware. The grey market is the other option. Recteational mj is a good thing. But like anything it based on taxes and licenses. Ive smoked for 50yrs. Wo taxes and licenses and i dont need them now. Vote yes for access is the best i can advise. Its 420 east coast time. Lightnup. Peace
Vote yes. Don’t listen to the haters
Will licenses to open a dispensery and grow operations be given just as freely as a regular business license? From what I've gathered, that's a no.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Who cares? Buy it from your local guy.
I don't smoke anymore but think most people prefer the cheaper prices that come along with legal market. Also not having to spend time with your local guy like pretend friends is a luxury I'd have actually paid more for back then
1g carts are $45-$65 at a MO dispensary. I get them for $20 from my guy (I get five at a time). He’s a friend, so I enjoy seeing him every once in a while!
Im glad you like yours. Most of mine were pretty sketch.
It might take a while of being recreational for prices to fall.
I remember paying $15-20/gram for anything better than brick stuff in Southern Oklahoma as a teen. I see my friends from my hometown once or twice a year and it shocks me how much cheaper they're able to get things through dispensaries now and the absolute variety of it too. With so much less hassle and people to deal with too. I've got a few duuuumb stories trying to score from randos and pretending to be nice to really douchey people at events. Id pay the extra amount for the luxury of skipping all that but not double the amount like you're saying it is.
Anyway, since you're the only person to reply please explain question 3 to me. It's worded very weirdly and I'm going to vote tomorrow and don't even know what it's for. I assumed it was just a tax increase from the question but everyone here is talking about handguns and dispensaries and stuff. Like I don't see that on the online ballot at all
These carts come from Oklahoma. Missouri is just newer and generally more difficult.
As a general rule, every time legalization of marijuana comes up, vote yes on it. Can’t go wrong.
You think those industry owners aren't gonna use the law the stop that?
Read the purpose of the language. It literally says the legislation is designed to stop the illicit Market.
If it's going to happen it may as well happen fair and not have to go through a lottery to open a business or pay a bunch of money to "win" the lottery
That’s the wrong idea bud. Like every other marijuana legislation, we’ve used the foot in the door technique. Get it legal recreationally, and then fix it later. It doesn’t need to be perfect, it just needs to be legal. I’ve had my cannabis card for over two years but I’ve never stepped foot in a Missouri dispensary. But I sure do love not being freaked out if I get pulled over.
The problem is it will be in the MO constitution…fixing it later is going to be very difficult if at all. We’ll see I guess.
Welcome to the reality of politics. Nothing is pure. Everything has a payoff to someone. Still not going to let the pursuit of perfection interfere with progress.
The problem is they won't be given to the small guys, they'll be given to the Walmart weed stores.
Exactly, vote no until anyone can open one
Lol, no.
Voting no will keep putting people in prison for weed.
Yeah that's a great point to vote yes
... how about vote yes, then vote to change licensing laws for business. In the meantime Green Light and Flora Farms have Grow Ops in-state. It can be done, it just needs licensing. Which stands to reason for any business venture handling a federally controlled substance.
In the meantime, voting YES on Proposition 3 will bring money to the state on marijuana tax. It will also legalize the manufacture, purchase, delivery, possession, consumption, and use of marijuana for those 21 and over. Most importantly, it will expunge the records of many convicted of crimes related to a controlled substance.
There's no reason to vote no.
Yeah I'll vote yes.
Only existing med license holders will get adult use licenses. The micro licenses are another story.
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The flyer came from Missouri NORML.
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If Roe v Wade is overturned because it's not a constitutional issue how have we gotten so far with so many other things such as this?
It does infringe in the 2nd but not in the way that's been said.
Since marijuana isn't legal federally, the ATF's rulings on it include marijuana as a controlled substance still, since it, ya know, still is.
That's true for literally every state with recreational or medical marijuana.
The good thing is that if there's no ID system required for purchasing marijuana, then no one can know provided you don't use traceable info like a credit card.
Technically, you cannot buy or smoke marijuana, medical or otherwise, and own firearms. Reality isn't that cut and dried and until marijuana gets rescheduled, this is the way the ATF is mandated to treat it.
just don't walk into the atf field office high.
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Anyone with half an adult brain can accept and appreciate another person's perspective or opinion. It makes no difference to me how someone else casts their vote. The fact is that the majority of people want cannabis to be legal in the US. It's only a matter of time.
Care to elaborate on why?
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Pretty fucking selfish of you.
“I want slightly cheaper weed and I don’t care how many people go to jail in order to get it.”
https://norml.org/marijuana/library/state-marijuana-arrests/missouri-marijuana-arrests/
Pretty selfish of hIm? The expungement requires Parson to sign off on the Expungement.
You sure "selfish' is the right word?
I’m not talking about expungement. I’m talking about all of the future arrests that do not have to happen.
The link is to show roughly the number of people that applies to per year.
The purpose of the language is to stop the illicit market. Read it! Page 17 under the Purpose section.
That concept of ending the illicit market and stopping cannabis arrests are incompatible.
You do realize that's the opposite of what supply and demand is right? When Supply goes up, prices go down.. because there is more easy access to the product.
This creates more supply. Why would demand go up? It only cost $100 to get a medical card so anyone who wanted the product already is getting it or has a local person they are getting it from anyway.
I'm really trying to understand your argument here. If you can elaborate more please do so, but I think your terminology may be off and confusing things.
Man I genuinely wanna know how you think that works. Like how would legalization raise prices? You say demand would go up, which yeah, possibly. But wouldn't the dispensaries be pretty eager to supply that market? Money would still spend if it passes, so they'd probably like to make some, and wouldn't multiple dispensaries competing with each other for customers bring prices lower than the current system of "knowing a guy or two"?
Economy of scale benefits alone would bring the price down tbh, you can grow a lot more weed when you don't have to hide that you're growing weed.
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Pay attention to the other stuff the local folks pushing NO on 3 say. They continually lie and misrepresent many things - just like they are now.