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Saltpork545 t1_its3567 wrote

We could also look at more data.

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/2020-09/City%20Crash%20Report2016%20-%202018-en-us-SPRINGFIELD.pdf

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/City%20Crash%20Report2016%20-%202018-en-us-KANSAS%20CITY.pdf

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/2020-09/City%20Crash%20Report2016%20-%202018-en-us-ST.%20LOUIS.pdf

https://www.modot.org/sites/default/files/2020-08/City%20Crash%20Report2016%20-%202018-en-us-COLUMBIA.pdf

We are the 3rd largest city in the state. Our fatal accident rate is 1.8% of the fatal crashes that happened in MO for 2016-2018.

KC is #2, their rate is 8.88%.

St Louis is #1, their rate is 6.17%.

Columbia is the next smallest, they're rate is 1.08%.

It seems to me that Springfield is right where they should be. It would be different if we, say, also had 8% of the fatal car crashes. So, just judging by fatal car crashes in Missouri, KC is the most dangerous place to be.

This is obviously incomplete data and I'm not finding any good summarized reports of car accidents by county or city because I don't think that data is tracked unless someone is injured, but I could be wrong.

I'm a millennial and 'I've had it worse' isn't what I'm saying at all. I'm saying Springfield isn't exceptional on traffic and never has been. People just get this mindset of 'oh these terrible drivers here are the worst anywhere' and everywhere thinks that about where they live and it's simply false. It's a cognitive bias.

I've seen my share of bad drivers here too. Of course. They exist everywhere. That is my point and always has been my point. We are not any different than Charlottesville or Memphis or Des Moines or whatever other place you can think of. Giving OP some idea that traffic or drivers are magically worse here than where they're coming from is simply false.

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blitzalchemy t1_its8ft8 wrote

Ive never once thought wherever I lived had the worse drivers, and again I point to the variety of places I have lived and experienced. Hell, at least people use their blinkers typically in St Louis. I have never thought we had the worst drivers until i moved and lived here for an extended period. Your data only accounts for incidents that happened, but nothing to say for the daily occurrences where the rest of us have to read the mind of the many idiot drivers so we arent involved in the wreck ourselves.

Simply put, at this point I truly do not care. There are many people who would agree that the drivers here are the worst theyve experienced, I would agree to that. However you are not doing yourself any favors here. And obviously not changing my nor anyone elses mind. As for the original point of the post and for the initial comment on here. I feel like we can all agree, treating the drivers here like they are dangerous idiots is for the better. The faster that new implants here learn to be hyper defensive, the better.

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