Submitted by AttorneyTime4601 t3_ypb7ui in springfieldMO
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivldyh1 wrote
Reply to comment by red_baa_ron in CRT and Amendment 3 by AttorneyTime4601
>No one is saying individuals can't act with individualized racially motivated actions.
That's not the same thing as claiming nobody says black people can't be racist.
In fact, the way you squirm and wriggle to use a term other than racism to describe blacks being racist just reinforces my point about the narrative being racism is a white thing.
Want to prove me wrong, then humor me. Actually say/type "Black people can be racist."
No prevarication, no qualifications, no dancing around the terminology, no backpedaling immediately afterwards. Just state clearly and simply that you acknowledge black people are capable of racism.
Because I bet you won't, and are going to try to deflect it on to me being "behind" just like you're doing now.
EDIT: Also, your pollution metaphor comes out as "get rid of the sources of pollution = get rid of white people," which is why I'm saying it's a false equivalence.
red_baa_ron t1_ivlpqhh wrote
You want to bait me and others into an argument that Black people can be racist. Why? Because you have received or seen some vitriol from Black people? Do you think retaliation by Black people against a culture partly created from Black slavery is racism?
Racial bias and racism are not the same. You're looking for a false equivalency, there it is.
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivmiolf wrote
Called it!
Racism is treating someone differently based on their race. That is the legal, practical, and dictionary definition. No more, no less.
The "racial bias" bullshit you're peddling is a double standard trying to move the goal posts so that racism is a white-only phenomenon and black racists get their racism soft-sold.
red_baa_ron t1_ivmjamw wrote
You should also look up the definition of confirmation bias.
AttorneyTime4601 OP t1_ivlteja wrote
Weird hill to die on. ‘If we stop oppressing people they might try to oppress us like we did to them for several hundred years’ is pretty weak. That’s not a real concern that is comparable to any real issue at hand. Killmonger was a fictional character.
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivmk9p4 wrote
>‘If we stop oppressing people they might try to oppress us like we did to them for several hundred years’ is pretty weak.
Dude, work on your reading comprehension, because that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that it's possible to oppress someone while being oppressed at the same time, and black people routinely get away with saying shit that would get a white person lynched because any time someone tries to bring up black racism they get shouted down.
>Killmonger was a fictional character.
And yet he represents a trend I've seen developing since well before Black Panther was released. If you're going to claim he didn't have a basis in shit that actually gets said, you're either lying or hopelessly naive.
red_baa_ron t1_ivmu8o7 wrote
Keep on trying to argue the merits of "black on white racism", or perhaps you prefer the phrase "reverse racism". Ask a black person working on diversity, equity, and inclusion in this town and see what they say about it.
You claim to vote all Democrat, but I've literally had this same conversation with staunch Fox News and Qanon conservatives. The difference is they weren't pretending to care, they were obvious about it.
Further reading:
https://www.theroot.com/if-a-white-person-said-that-the-false-equivalency-of-r-1828373496
https://racism.org/articles/defining-racism/2073-top-10-ways-black-people-keep?showall=1
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivn8csj wrote
No, I wouldn't prefer the term "reverse racism," because that implies the natural order of racism is whites being racist against blacks. Which is fucking racist.
Also, nice job at deciding that I'm a racist qtard just because I'm not completely guzzling the kool-aid and pretending "racial bias" is somehow not racism with a prettier name to downplay it.
red_baa_ron t1_ivnbxqg wrote
If only the town knew what a hidden gem they have here, a true scholar of racism and race relations. I suppose the actual people doing real work in this field don't matter to you. After all, this conversation is just an attempt for you to try and insert your will on what you think about the terminology, not to learn something or contribute anything of value. All while completely distracting from the important points. Score one for anti-racism.
You'd certainly find any number of bigots here who would share your opinion. That alone should give you pause.
Good luck to you on your journey, I'm done trying to help you.
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivnfryn wrote
Being done implies you were ever interested in helping me to begin with.
You being completely unwilling to admit black people are even capable of racism and accusing me of being racist for daring to hold them to the same standards as white people is hilariously hypocritical.
You also have no idea of my background, the reading I've done, or the personal connections I have but, sure, go ahead and write me off as ignorant because it makes you feel better.
AttorneyTime4601 OP t1_ivn4czm wrote
Get away with saying things? People say things all the time. You’re getting away with saying some real dumb shit right now. Things were actually DONE to black and brown folks for a long time. You wanna police what they can SAY about it? You’re obviously trying to keep them in a certain position. The opposition to their ideas continues to say things and do things to oppress them. You included.
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivn9fqu wrote
From the way you and the other dude are jumping down my throat, I'm not getting away with shit.
You're trying to shout me down and silence me for disagreeing with the party line, and I'm not letting you.
AttorneyTime4601 OP t1_ivofut8 wrote
I can see now that you make no sense and are afraid of black people
Wyldfire2112 t1_ivpspux wrote
The fact you think me daring to say black people are as capable of racism as white people means I'm afraid of black people is hilarious.
So is the fact you can't grasp just how much you're acting like the oppressor you claim I am.
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