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OG_Illusion t1_j179kce wrote
I want you to know that I’m grateful. Even though I have no kids or anyone in Willard. Personally I’m grateful for your wife and her colleagues swift and brave actions to save the kids from the dogs. Incase it hasn’t been said enough, thank you!
Extension_Ad175 t1_j196mpn wrote
Tell her I said thank you. My son was also bit. Without your wife it could have been much worse. We deeply appreciate the teachers that risked themselves to save our kids.
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bobone77 t1_j183atx wrote
Nah. Most school playgrounds aren’t fully fenced. This is on the owner of the dogs and nobody else.
tdawg-1551 t1_j1877cm wrote
Are there fences around all the bus stops as well? How about walking in from the parking lot? Kids could get approached by a random dog there as well. It is 100% the responsibility of the dog owners. You can't put blame on the school here.
Leth1k t1_j18weny wrote
How can you blame anybody but the dogs owner in this situation? The hell man
a_wank_and_a_cry t1_j19axxl wrote
It shouldn’t be legal to breed pits. The pit bulls that are already here deserve all the love and affection we can give them, but there is no reason to keep the breed around.
Ryanqzqz t1_j19ea1k wrote
I like this take - this is a really constructive way to look at it.
laffingriver t1_j1ad6be wrote
how do we define what a pit is and isnt. akc registry? genomic testing? who pays for this?
if their grandparents were half pits do we euthenize all puppies? who pays for that?
what if its only quarter pit, three quarter boxer?
what if family comes to town from out of state and brings their dog with? are they allowed to travel through this area or will we take their dog and kill it?
will we also ban bull terriers? german shepherds? austrian malinois? rottweillers? dobermans? cocker spaniels? in my lifetime all of these dogs have been made into villains.
feralfantastic t1_j1assw3 wrote
Thanks for enumerating all the challenges to the process. Finding the answers might be difficult, but not impossible. I’d prefer to find these answers over having my children attacked in school because some shithead I’ve never met couldn’t manage their animal properly.
laffingriver t1_j1aw9iw wrote
you are absolutely correct! its the shithead you never met thats the problem.
discussing these nuanced difficulties is how we come to an ethical consensus in a multiculural, diverse, and democratic society such as ours.
im glad we agree its the owners fault and their responsibility rather than something as arbitrary as “breed”.
feralfantastic t1_j1b7t2d wrote
Except, of course, this is about culling dogs, and not people. The shithead is going to keep on being a shithead. The most you can do is make it illegal for them to own an animal that will react to their shithead qualities by getting angrier and crazier and more uncontrollable until they go out, independent of the shithead, and rip the faces off a bunch of toddlers.
Pit bulls are a uniquely fragile breed, apparently predisposed by fundamental behavior to attack children and other dogs. They’re apparently responsible for half fatal dog attacks despite representing no more than 6% of the dog population. We need to be phasing out any animal with salient evidence of pit characteristics for the same reason we don’t let felons own firearms, we put cancer warnings on cigarette packs, and we don’t allow private ownership of high explosives.
suchawildflower t1_j176514 wrote
It's always the pits. Thank God no one died this time.
laffingriver t1_j1aapmb wrote
“always”…
Sk8ordie79 t1_j18c4nv wrote
I've been surveying on properties in the city, country, and in between. I've had MANY dogs become very aggressive toward myself or crew. Never a pit though. You are wrong.
Thanks for your input though
Tiny_Fly_7397 t1_j18d5nb wrote
Do me a favor and just skim this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfti1 Pay attention to the breed of the dogs. You might be surprised by what you see.
suchawildflower t1_j18hljo wrote
I did not make my comment in ignorance, hence "die this time". I'm aware there are several aggressive breeds...however, pits kill or maul to such a severity it requires hospitalization or reconstructive surgical procedures. Atcanybrate, there's a reason so many cities, towns and rentals do not allow pits. They maim, maul and kill.
Sk8ordie79 t1_j18e4k7 wrote
Yup. No surprise. It's the highest percentage... does not calculate to "always the pits". Usually the pits, sometimes German Shepherds. In my experience in the real world, constantly interacting with dogs, it's just dogs. I've been bit by Chihuahuas numerous times. Sure they don't cause as much damage but they are terrors. It's 100% about the owners
the_honeyman t1_j18pg4u wrote
The difference is a chihuahua bites, lets go, and runs away if you threaten it.
Pitts don't let go. They maul. And they're far more likely to attack than other breeds, due to prey drive, low intelligence, and hundreds of years of selective breeding. Stop trying to "what about" your way around this. Pitts are a dangerous breed and should be treated as such.
squeaker84 t1_j18xx0l wrote
The same as ppl can be dangerous and treated as such. It's not breed its the ppl who raise them. I've been attacked like this from a random dog in town yrs ago but it was German shepherd that did this same thing attacked a group of us. 1 had to have surgery cuz the bites and scratches. Lucky most of us that got bit wasn't as serious but we had to watch for rabies and crap! All dogs can do this. It's not dogs fault I'm sure since the guy gave them over he wasn't able to care for them How they should be or he was miss treating those dogs. I'd gladly take a pit bull over stupid lil yappy dogs that have big person complex and total jerks always. I've had pit pulls and we rescued each one. And 1 was mistreated and chained up outside for over 6months when we got him he was and Is still the sweetest boy ever. My at time daughter who was like 2 could lay on him and mess with him and he never once got upset or snarled at all. It's so easy just to instantly blame dogs but that person should be charged he should have had control of his animals!
the_honeyman t1_j18zgpy wrote
Do bad owners exist? Yes. Do other breeds attack? Yes. Are there certain breeds that have a much higher propensity to attack and maul? Absolutely.
It's nothing short of ignorance to ignore hundreds of years of selective breeding for violence. The breed has had violent tendencies selected for, since the very beginning.
I don't care how snuggly your "nAnNy DoG" is.
sgf-guy t1_j1boozz wrote
There are many factors/reasons involved in bites…protective of the dog’s home/family, being cornered…but in my estimate is the third option…highly prey/protective oriented working dogs can be incredibly effective. And that can be anything from rat terriers to German Shepards. But that same thing that makes them effective also has a fault in processing their bred instincts and go/no go from time to time. True handlers around the dog all the time know the dog, but the average owner does not. PD/mil working dogs are some of the most well selected but they still bite handlers and cops/soldiers.
Dogs have little to no color vision…that is basically blurry past about 30 ft…and running and “screeching” are also triggers. Plus dogs pack up so if one gets confidence or a wild hair, other dogs instinctively join in. There is also a scale of dog bite reasoning and severity.
Wikipedia has a page about fatal dog attacks and certain breeds stand out…as well as the fact people under about 15 and over 60 have a disparate chance of death due to physical ability to resist.
I’ve had two neighbors with great bigger dogs when the owners are around but also fall into instinct mode with anything from a squirrel to a person and BOLT randomly at any of them. They aren’t the typical breeds, but something in some dogs is a wild card and can be very bad in a very small amount of situations.
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