Submitted by Jimithyashford t3_1045mgr in springfieldMO

Ever stopped and thought about that expression. What does it mean? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps? That's not actually possible..... We all know what people mean when they say it, "Fix your problem with hard work and personal discipline.", but is the expression just a nonsense phrase? How does Pulling on your bootstraps mean work hard?

Well I did some research, and it's fantastic.

The phrase originated in an 1800s physics text, where the author gives us a thought experiment "Why can a man not lift himself by pulling on his bootstraps?" and then the text went on to explain the concept that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, therefore, no matter how hard you pull on your bootstraps, you can never lift yourself.

From there it filtered out into common usage and became an expression for "that's impossible". For example in 1834 a man named Nimrod Murphree (back before Bugs Bunny made that name into an insult) published an article claiming he'd invented a perpetual motion machine, and a local paper published a ridicule of the man saying "Mr. Murphree may as well say he has passed himself over a barn yard fence but lifting his bootstraps".

So yeah, it was a sarcastic phrase of disbelief, maybe the modern equivalent would be "fat chance" or "No way in hell". It may also be related to the Stories of Baron Munchausen, in which a character known for telling unbelievable stories claims to have lifted himself out of a swamp by pulling up on his hair.

So THAT usage makes a LOT more sense than the way we use it now. But how did it go from an idiom meaning "that's impossible" to something that we expect everyone to be able to do, and in fact look down on and deride people who can't do it, as have a failing of personal character? How did it go from being an expression of the impossible to a standard expectation?

Well, over time, this sarcastic expression was used in some contexts where it was flattering. There was a story published about a military officer who climbed high in the ranks despite not being from any notable family, just due to his own excellent quality and hard work. This article said he had climbed the ladder "by aid of his bootstraps". Of course the article was making a cheeky play on the usual meaning of the idiom, trying to say, essentially, "Here is a guy who actually managed to achieve the impossible through his personal excellence." Other articles were published talking about optimistic Americans who acquired initial investments for different business ventures and set off with ridiculously lofty goals. Some articles called these businessmen "bootstrappers" and meant it in a pejorative way, as in these guys are trying to do the impossible and will lose their investments, sort of a naïve optimism. But of course some did succeed and their gamble paid off, and so then articles would be published talking about these men who did lift themselves by their bootstraps and achieved success. The implication being "they attempted the impossible but by jove they actually did it."

And over time, gradually, the cheeky play on the original meaning of the expression came to completely replace the original meaning. And then, also gradual over time, the expression further shifted from a rare and incredible effort, to being sarcastic advice. As in a farmer saying "Man I don't know how i'm gonna make it through this fall, my crops aren't yielding very well," and his friend kinda sarcastically offering "well, you could pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that now meaning "Have the kind of lucky break and huge effort like we read about in these news stories and apply it to your problem." That might be like someone today saying "Well, you could always win the lottery", like yeah it's not impossible, people do win it, but it's not really useful advice. It's sarcasm.

And then further still over time that snarky meaning of a incredible extraordinary effort became such common advice, that the sarcastic edge was eventually lost and it came to be a genuine expression of a common thing any decent person should be able to do when they run into hard times.

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So, the evolution:

Sarcastic expression for something that is impossible>Astonished expression for something seemingly impossible but some extraordinary person achieve it anyway> Genuine expression referring to putting in an incredible effort to achieve the unlikely under extreme circumstances>Sarcastic suggestion that extreme and stupendous efforts be made to address common life hardships>Genuine expectation that anyone be able to work really hard and fix it themselves if they get in a tight spot.

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Jimithyashford OP t1_j32ypgh wrote

Not really directly or specifically related to Springfield. But with a lot of discussions and topics that many of us deal with, I think it's useful and information to let everyone one know that when we hear "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" as the solution to personal or societal issues, what we are really being told is

"If you are not able to achieve incredible near impossible personal effort and dedication and pseudo perfection in dealing with your struggles, then you don't deserve help, your problem is your personal failing or lack of quality."

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Imactuallyadogg t1_j335q2d wrote

I enjoyed learning about that. Thanks for sharing. I always hated when people said that stuff.

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princessk1293 t1_j33nngb wrote

Thank you. This matches my research on it a while back. I hate that people act like hardship is always something a person brings upon themselves. We all know so many people who work their butts off and have little to nothing to show for it and people who just coats by and good things just fall in their lap. Life is NOT fair. We tell our kids to not expect life to be fair, but we teach them that it really is and if something isn’t going the way you want it to, it must be your fault.

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Jimithyashford OP t1_j33oaoy wrote

Meritocracy is somewhat a myth. Not totally a myth, being better and smarter than your peers can get you ahead, but only to a certain degree.

We all know extremely hard working disciplined people who slaved their lives away in poverty.

Also thanks to Elon, the idea of the uber rich being better and smarter and deserving of their wealth has been completely rebuked, since we all now know that Elon is a fucking idiot who’s genius was in making a handful of great investments in other people’s good ideas.

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nofretting t1_j33oj3b wrote

This is why starting a computer is referred to as "booting" the computer. The machine has to pull itself into operation by its own bootstraps.

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Elios000 t1_j33vg3b wrote

not sure why you got down voted because your correct in fact booting is short for bootstrapping. since at power on the hardware has basically pick it self up by its own bootstraps to get to a usable state

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nofretting t1_j33vxgn wrote

>Elon is a fucking idiot

I don't know anything about electric cars or rockets, so I took for granted that he knew more than me about them.

But I do know something about software, and seeing what he's doing to Twitter makes me want to stay away from his cars and rockets... or anything he's involved in.

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Jimithyashford OP t1_j34dbbu wrote

Turns out that inheriting a mountain of apartheid blood money allows you to hire and invest in very smart people, you don’t actually have to be all that smart or insightful yourself.

I don’t want to say Elon musk never did anything right, he did recognize what a great investment PayPal would be, and he recognized what a great investment tesla would be, so he’s not void of any insight, but being an OK investor, who started off already rich to begin with, is the extent of his personal merit.

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Koyoteelaughter t1_j34mgew wrote

I find this highly interesting. I love discovering the hidden origins of idioms like this. Like making money hand over fist.

Interesting sidenote. Before Bugs Bunny started calling Elmer Fudd a nimrod, the word nimrod had never meant idiot. The reason Bugs Bunny called him a nimrod was to lampoon and mock Elmer Fudd who was a poor excuse for a hunter. What Bugs was actually doing was comparing the inept Elmer to the biblical character Nimrod, a mighty hunter from the bible.

In the long span of human history before Bugs, Nimrod—a biblical figure—was a hunter. He was king of Shinar, son of Cush, and great-grandson of Noah. According to the Bible (Genesis 10:8–9, for the curious): “And Cush begat Nimrod, who began to be mighty in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord.”

Nimrod was as far from Elmer as you could get which was why Bugs called him that. While the comparison wasn't accurate, his tone was easy to recognize as contempt. That's why children who grew up watching Bugs Bunny understood the insult nimrod to mean idiot.

Also, Bugs had a famous line in one of the episodes with Wile E. Coyote. It was the first time Wile E. ever talked. He declares he's a genius, but after losing to Bugs over and over again, he shows up at Bugs rabbit hole, erects a door and knocks on it. When Bugs answers it, Wile E. who is black and burnt says "Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Mud."

This is a saying that means I am a disgraced. Wile E. had begun the episode by introducing himself to Bugs and declaring himself a genius. Throughout the episode, Wile E. exhibited a bloated and overblown sense of greatness, but by the end, he ended up defeated by Bugs. The origin of this saying "My name is Mudd" is in reference to Dr. Samuel Mudd who conspired with John Wilkes Booth to kidnap and/or assassinate President Lincoln. In the end, the respected doctor who many treated as a genius ended up sentenced to life in prison for his role. He was the one who treated John Wilkes Booth's leg after he broke it leaping from the theater balcony.

Because it's Bugs, Bugs Bunny turns this declaration of defeat in a humorous observation. Wile E. passes out after delivering the line prompting Bugs to break the fourth wall as he looks at the camera and reminds the viewers, "Remember, Mud spelled backwards is Dum."

Despite Dum being a homophone for the word dumb, it was also Bugs spoofing a laxative commercial slogan of the times called Serutan which when spelled backwards was Natures as in Natures Laxative. That's why Bugs wags his eyebrows after saying it. It was the show creators giving the audience a wink and nod asking us, You get it? Do get the joke?

I love reserching old idioms. They're fascinating.

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armenia4ever t1_j37ulp6 wrote

Give this OP a prize.

Instead of the usual political rants that seem to pop up around this, we got a neat deep dive on this idiom that I'm pretty sure most of us - myself included -weren't aware of.

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