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turbulance4 OP t1_j5ujidj wrote

I know everyone hates this guy here. But can we set aside that hate long enough to support this bill?

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exhusband2bears t1_j5uldxx wrote

Nope. He's trolling.

I'm all for a similar bill, so long as it's: a) written by a legislator who didn't cheer on the insurrection, and b) not some kind of bad right-wing meme bullshit.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5ulklb wrote

The person who wrote the bill is more important than a good bill passing?

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Dontlookimpeeing t1_j5uv4wr wrote

It won't pass, every Republican would vote against it.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5uviw8 wrote

I don't understand, it is written and proposed by a Republican and you think the Reps are the problem? Do you expect the Dems to be in favor of this bill written by Reps?

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Dontlookimpeeing t1_j5v3pue wrote

I don't expect Republicans to write a bill that isn't inherently more of a problem than what they are claiming to solve.

But hey, maybe this will be the time Hawley isn't a corrupt and traitorous asshole grandstanding for Trump fans and he actually makes a decent bill. Looking at the other crap he's sponsored I doubt it. The fact he sponsored the same thing last year and no one cared or supported it makes me think it's just that grandstanding I mentioned. It's to get Trump fans excited and drum up anti-Pelosi idiots, probably hoping someone will assault her in her home.

Seems more likely than anyone actually supporting a bill from Hawley, Dems and Republicans included in that.

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Wrinklestiltskin t1_j5vlrpm wrote

I think his assumption is the most reasonable seeing as how the Republicans have already prevented a legitimate version of this bill by voting against it. Why should anyone assume this is more than attention grabbing and 'owning the libs' from a well-established jackass?

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5vm760 wrote

I didn't research it but I wouldn't be surprised if republicans, in the past, blocked a similar bill from Dems simply because they didn't want Dems to get "a win." That doesn't suggest Reps will also block this bill. If anything the Dems well because they want the "win."

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Wrinklestiltskin t1_j5vqvgb wrote

This bill has no chance to pass, and Hawley knows this and drafted it in bad faith.

The Republicans (politicians) aren't going to want this passed and their party's voting history in the matter of regulations such as this or anti-lobbying measures is consistently to vote against it.

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exhusband2bears t1_j5um8ro wrote

The person who wrote the bill also supported the attempts to overturn the 2020 election, so anything coming from him is fruit of a poisoned tree as far as I'm concerned.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5undbq wrote

I don't think it's a good look to be in favor of govt corruption because you can't get over your hate for one person.

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armenia4ever t1_j5upr4t wrote

You know someone is completely blinded by their partisanship when they can't even consider the message because of the messenger. It's a heavily emotional reaction.

The insanity of this kind of logic or rather lack of it: Obama didn't support gay marriage in 2007 and prior therefore everything good he did after that is immediately poisoned and we shouldn't have the ACA or expanded medicaid.

Oh and members from both parties- biased GOP database of Dem allegations have been challenging the integrity of elections and insisting about various ones being stolen since 2000. There's dems who insist that Stacey Abrams in GA had the governorship stolen from her - all while justifiably flipping out about the 2020 stolen election nonsense.

If we want to be consistent about this, fine. But each side is willing to allege fraud when they lose, so if we immediately insist the well is poisoned for any good law or reform they propose, we would never get anything done.

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Jayrob1202 t1_j5utk2s wrote

It's hard to listen to what a corrupt politician is peddling, even when the bill they're selling has the mask of anti-corruption on it.

For me, it's not about liking or not liking the man. It's about trust. I don't trust a single thing Hawley does, and I certainly don't believe he's simply working in good faith to help stop lawmakers from using their positional advantage when trading stocks.

IMO this goes for all politicians, really. I think most things they publicly do and say should be approached with skepticism.

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exhusband2bears t1_j5uw0l6 wrote

Show me on the doll where I said I'm in favor of government corruption.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5uxadg wrote

The part where you stood against a bill to stop insider trading by congresspeople

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exhusband2bears t1_j5v6e4r wrote

Nice charged language. I "stood against" the bill by stating that I'd back a similar bill written by another legislator. And from that, you got "dar, this guy loves corruption".

And since we're here: You realize I don't actually have a vote in Congress right? That what I think of the bill and its shitheel author is irrelevant to whether the bill is passed, right?

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Dontlookimpeeing t1_j5uw0x3 wrote

LOL, ok kid.

The way you need to bury your head in the sand to pretend Hawley isn't a corrupt traitor is funny.

No, we're all better off with a bill like this coming from anyone else.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5uw7ol wrote

> No, we're all better off with a bill like this coming from anyone else.

No. Who authors the bill is irrelevant.

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Ed_the_time_traveler t1_j5urxr1 wrote

It's people like you, both on the left and the right, that are the problem with our country right now. Can't see the forest through the partisan trees.

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Some_Adhesiveness142 t1_j5utjr3 wrote

This guy should be in prison not writing laws!!!!

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5uum0t wrote

I understand he cheered a group of people outside the Capitol (?) building, before that same group decided to break into the building and try to disrupt the electoral process. I don't understand why people are saying he should be in prison for that. It's not illegal to cheer a group, and it's reasonable to assume he didn't know what they were about to do.

Did he do something else I'm not aware of?

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Dontlookimpeeing t1_j5uw8v3 wrote

He urged on a coup attempt and you don't find that a problem?

You're Republican, then.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5uwkrw wrote

You seem to have failed to comprehend my previous comment. Please read it again.

> You're Republican, then. Trump fan? Think the election was stolen?

No, no, and no.

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Dontlookimpeeing t1_j5v2igq wrote

But the violent attack on the capitol to stop the certification of a fair election and keep Trump in power isn't a coup?

Why do you guys always lie about who you support?

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5v8qma wrote

Again your reading comprehension is quite lacking. At no point did is say it wasn't a coup. I said Hawley "cheered" the crowd before it was clear what they were going to do. Your criticism amounts to nothing more than him once slightly moving his fist in a way you didn't like.

Now, if I'm uniformed about something.. if he was proven in some way to be more involved in orchestrating the (pathetic attempt at a) coup.. please let me know.

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More_Ovaltine_Plz_ t1_j5uypnp wrote

Christ almighty you people are so silly.

He did not urge a coup. I’ll change my mind if you can provide irrefutable evidence of this claim.

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5uzwu8 wrote

Dorp the word irrefutable. If some good evidence is provided I'd look into it. Something more than "he shook his fist to a crowd before that crowd did anything illegal"

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Some_Adhesiveness142 t1_j5wc2ki wrote

He was one of the first Senators to object to the certification and continued that objection even after they resumed the certification after the MAGGAT INSURRECTION. He’s a lying ass traitor that should be in prison!

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5wdhsb wrote

He should go to prison for objecting? Isn't that kind of what politicians are supposed to do?

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Some_Adhesiveness142 t1_j5wenqz wrote

It was what his objection was….it was all about it being a stolen election and that Joe Biden was not actually elected. He urged on the “Big Lie” that instigated the deadly violence and continued it even after he himself ran from the mob he helped create! He’s a coward and a traitor!

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turbulance4 OP t1_j5wfs37 wrote

I don't think you should take the position that politicians should go to jail for claiming an election was stolen. Plenty of Dems have made this claim as well.

In the same sense that everyone charged with a crime should have a right to a lawyer, politicians should have the right to challenge an election (even when they are clearly wrong).

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More_Ovaltine_Plz_ t1_j5v0kum wrote

That’s all the evidence they have. He didn’t do anything that would rise anywhere close to incitement.

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Dontlookimpeeing t1_j5v278f wrote

Traitors gonna traitor. I don't see you Trump fans ever admitting it was a violent attack to stop the certification of a fair election.

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More_Ovaltine_Plz_ t1_j5v3izs wrote

It was a violent attempt that failed at overturning the election.

If you thought 500 people could overturn an election without guns, you’re being very silly.

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