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FrozenBearMo t1_j66ai1f wrote

Springfield is filled with NIMBY’s. They don’t want a homeless population, but also no homeless shelters. Lower rents, but no developments. More jobs, but no new businesses.

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Fallout_NewCheese t1_j66j2r4 wrote

Yeah we need to build more strip malls there's not enough empty ones in town already. Also in what world does literally anything cause rent to go down it's almost universally gone up over time. Some more random developments are not going to lower rent. We have plenty of overpriced apartments that sit half empty because no one can afford them. There's also not really a job shortage so much as there's a wage shortage. We don't need more jobs we need jobs that actually pay a living wage in the first place. I do agree that we do absolutely need more homeless shelters though fuck anyone that tries to say otherwise. People should be starving and freezing on the streets.

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whattheduce86 t1_j66qpw7 wrote

Some of those homeless people are gonna choose to be homeless regardless of the help, but the ones who want should def have a free place to go and maybe someway to volunteer or work to earn their stay.

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Own_Ear_7356toss t1_j673hh1 wrote

Read this fast. The reddit crowd always downvotes this plain, clear truth. Some homeless don't want a home.

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Fallout_NewCheese t1_j69cyef wrote

I don't understand why you're saying this like it's a gotcha. Someone wanting to be nomadic is fine. But that changes literally nothing in terms of building shelters for the people that are homeless due to not being able to afford to survive in this country anymore. I also believe that part of the small group of homeless people that prefers being nomadic prefers it because there's zero point in trying to work 40 hours a week and survive off the low wages in this area with the skyrocketing rent and cost of living. So yeah some people are genuinely happiest being nomadic but let's be honest part of that is because of how incredibly difficult it is to be a "functional member of society" at this point. Shit if I wasn't fortunate enough to be able to squeeze into a spare room with a family member and help them out in return, then I'd have given into my own mental illness and just started living on the streets when I lost my job a few months ago. I would also probably think being homeless was better than when I had housing before in that case. Not having to deal with the stress of paying someone elses mortgage every month, or dealing with some dickhead boss or shitty job to not even have enough pay minimum bills and still buy food. Like yeah of course some people would rather live in a van it's much more feasible than taking part in "normal" society at this point and committing 5 or more days a week to slaving away for someone else.

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VaderTower t1_j697ehr wrote

Supply and demand, if you build more apartments/homes (add supply) it will drive demand down, when that happens a unit will sit empty and a landlord will have to decide if they want to lose money on keeping it unoccupied or rent it cheap to have someone there.

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22TopShelf22 t1_j6a46jx wrote

No. Increased supply means increased competition which means decreased rents.

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VaderTower t1_j6astlj wrote

I feel like you reiterated my point, are you disagreeing?

Increased supply (more units built to rent), decreases demand (less people wanting to rent) by increasing competition (more units on the market vying for the same set number of renters), means decreased rent.

I suppose my point of leaving a unit empty or decreasing rent was somewhat reductionist, but still what will happen.

Ultimately the only point, that isn't up for debate is that... More units built = cheaper rent.

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22TopShelf22 t1_j68trn5 wrote

McDonald's has never been a living wage job. Want to earn more money, get a new skill or a better job. Entry level, low skill jobs aren't jobs that can pay a living wage. Force an employer to pay $20 for McDonald's help and they will make machines to do the work instead of paying people with limited skills to do the job. It actually hurts people with a basic / limited skill set.

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