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boldberserker t1_j9pzxx2 wrote

It works in nearly every 1st world country besides the US. I don’t believe people should have to choose between going bankrupt or saving their loved one by treating cancer. We certainly don’t get what we pay for in the US. We pay the highest cost for pharmaceuticals in the world. They’re no better than what you can buy in Canada or Mexico for pennies on the dollar. My insurance premiums and all of the working people’s keep going up, but my healthcare has gotten worse. I have to make appointments weeks to months ahead of time and once I am seen I’m shuffled along so they can hurry to the next patient. They have stats they have to meet too which don’t have anything to do with making people better. I could go on and on. Most of us in America are not getting any better healthcare and definitely not getting what billionaires get. And it’s not like that business will go away. Billionaires will still pay doctors privately to get their luxury healthcare. Meanwhile the rest of us are paying to increase wealth for shareholders for increasingly less time with our healthcare professionals.

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SeanHaz t1_j9q19i9 wrote

You seem to be complaining about the quality and cost of healthcare. Unfortunately you can't have both.

I understand that you don't want people to choose between bankruptcy and death but that doesn't make universal healthcare a good idea. It will solve some problems and cause others. It's a really complicated issue and having seen what public healthcare looks like in a wealthy country I get the impression that privatisation is the way to go. You seem to have the opposite impression. To me this just shows that both systems suck and completely overhauling something which sucks for something else that sucks may not be wise.

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boldberserker t1_j9qlyi1 wrote

I see what you’re saying, and it makes a lot of sense. You don’t know what you don’t know. I’ve never traveled to another country and had to use healthcare outside of the US. The state I live in provides health insurance to those who can’t afford it, and I was very grateful to be able to use it for the births of all 4 of my children. Had I not been covered by state healthcare the cost for each birth is ~$10,000 and most insurance plans don’t cover more than $2000 of that. That adds up fast. I would be more inclined to agree with your point of view if healthcare costs in the US were similar to just 30 years ago, but they have dramatically increased and there’s no end in sight.

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