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jmcstar t1_j9x2ro0 wrote

Windows 11, aka Windows Fail

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wellmaybe_ t1_j9xubo2 wrote

honestly, i never had a customer complaining about win11. it usually goes like "oh the windows button is now in the middle? right mouse button menu is now weird" but after that the just work with it. its not a perfect os, but compared to the usual crying customers do when they have to learn a new os, win11 is very mild.

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b_a_t_m_4_n t1_j9ya2a0 wrote

Windows users have been trained over many ears, some decades, to take what they're given and just deal with it. Windows is what comes with the PC and they just assume that that's the way things are.

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Odysseyan t1_j9ygk6r wrote

Well you don't have much choice. You can either go Linux if you are good with tech (yes it is more beginner friendly but the terminal is always around the corner) and are not too much into PC gaming. Or mac if you also hate gaming but got more money. Else you are stuck with Windows

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b_a_t_m_4_n t1_j9yi8uo wrote

Exactly my point. Windows users don't complain about Windows much because it's basically like it or lump it. Don't Like it? Buy a MAC.

Like they don't complain about the UI that comes with their TV. You get what you get, learn to live with it, buy a different make next time.

The average Windows user has never even heard of Linux and would have no idea how to install any OS, including Windows.

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madhi19 t1_j9yheku wrote

The terminal is also always around the corner in Windows.

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cu3ed t1_j9yemc9 wrote

MS Ear Training camp did have some tough modules to pass to be fair.

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Kursem_v2 t1_j9zzmve wrote

you can just change it back to the left on settings.

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epic_null t1_j9ykc5b wrote

I primary Linux and try not to complain about my work machine because I understand it is the company's, not mine but dw I have complaints.

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astromaddie t1_j9x64ry wrote

Since Microsoft skipped Windows 9 to make Windows 10, the old wisdom that “even number Windows releases suck” apparently held true to become “odd number Windows releases suck”.

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Alan976 t1_j9zbw8v wrote

Nah; Microsoft skipped Windows 9 due to the sheer fact to avoid conflict with third-party code that searches for "Windows 9"

​if(version.StartsWith("Windows 9"))
{ /* 95 and 98 */ } else {

Also, the whole"odd number Windows releases are bad" is just arbitrary, someone's preference, and asinine.

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taz-nz t1_j9x9kzb wrote

Actual list of major Windows releases:

Win 95 average

Win 95(B) OSR2 good

Win 95 (C) bad (test bed for 98)

Win 98 bad

Win 98 SE average (livable when running 98lite to remove crashtasic active desktop)

Win ME bad (basically test bed for Win XP features)

Win XP average

Win XP SP1 average-good

Win XP SP2 good

Win XP SP3 great

Win XP 64bit hot garbage.

Win Vista average (bad for old hardware & software and underspec'd machines)

Win Vista 64bit SP1 & SP2good (5-20% performance bump over Win XP on same hardware)

Win 7 good

Win 7 SP1-onwards great

Win 8 bad

Win 8.1 average

Win 10 good

Win 10 1709-onwards great

Win 11 average-good

Yeah there is totally a good bad cycle, if you just put on the ross tinted glasses, and ignore 80% of major releases.

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astromaddie t1_j9xa6nj wrote

Thanks for the “every reply has to be an argument” reddit treatment. If you ignore the post-release updates to the system, and paint broad strokes because this is just nerd humour and stop taking everything so seriously, you’ve got:

  • Win95: good
  • Win98: bad
  • WinXP (skipping ME because it was a weird mid-cycle release testbed): good
  • Win Vista: bad
  • Win7: good
  • Win8: bad
  • Win10: good
  • Win11: bad

Microsoft has almost always had good longterm support for their OSes to iron things out, so if you include every major update of course there’s no pattern.

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Jristz t1_j9xrep2 wrote

You skipped 8.1 but I gonna use the same argument you did for ME and call 8.1 "weird mid-cycle"

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taz-nz t1_j9xbjec wrote

You're modifying the list to fit your narrative, not reality.

Many of the Windows versions you list as good, didn't start out that way, you list Vista as bad when it was actual good if you were running descent spec system (I can point you to benchmarks that's show it was faster than XP on the same hardware). You ignore a whole Windows release because it doesn't fit your narrative.

It's dishonest.

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EndUserGamer t1_j9xc74a wrote

Yeah, but there is some truth here. Every other OS has nearly always been the way to go.

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taz-nz t1_j9xhto0 wrote

Except if you skipped Windows 98, there was a whole range of games, software and hardware (USB) you couldn't use.

Windows XP had some major hate when it was release, people called it the Playmobil OS due to the colour scheme, and a host of older hardware and software wasn't supported due to changes in Kernel and Driver model.

Skipping Windows Vista was easy to do due to the hate train everyone got on, but if you had a 64bit CPU you were wasting a huge chunk of your systems performance. (Windows XP 64bit wasn't an option, as it was just a cut down version of Server 2003 and had major compatibility issues.)

Windows 11 isn't a bad OS, it just requires modern hardware features, my biggest issues with it is I can't move the taskbar to the top of the screen without a hack or third-party software, and I'm not a fan of the new start menu, but I pin most Apps I use to the taskbar so really doesn't matter. But it's stable it supports new hardware features, it's still works like Windows (no Windows 8 how do I use this thing).

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