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ClownCarnival t1_j80wd5v wrote
Not a good day for Texas taxpayers. First they get to pay out the settlements for their corrupt AG and then this but hey you get what you vote for and you won't have to worry about voting much longer once these guys are done destroying our democoracy.
Vulcan_MasterRace t1_j8102ly wrote
I think the tech exists today where we can vote from our phones, tablets and computers.
CakeAccomplice12 t1_j811msd wrote
>Not a good day for Texas taxpayers.
Has there ever been a good day for Texas taxpayers?
Waylandyr t1_j812vw6 wrote
I35 says hell no
bazzbj t1_j816yyz wrote
They keep voting for the same people 🤷🏻♂️
kmfstudios t1_j8183zp wrote
It most certainly does not and that's the easy part. It'll take decades to get all the states to agree on a common system.
tundey_1 t1_j818fqq wrote
This is what happens when you let morons write your law.
tundey_1 t1_j818t64 wrote
There's really no reason to make something as important as voting be subject to the lax security on personal electronic devices. And we don't need it. The expansive use of mail-in voting during the COVID presidential election in 2020 is proof that measures like early voting, no-excuse vote-by-mail etc are good enough.
tundey_1 t1_j81a1on wrote
>that results in elections being less secure.
That's their goal. Just like when they say "government doesn't work; elect me and I'll prove it to you".
Shavethatmonkey t1_j81b0qq wrote
Don't worry, as the deadline looms Republicans will vote to allow an untested and unverified machine from a company that supports Republicans.
syrynxx t1_j81idk5 wrote
That's how poisonous the word "Democrat" is to people who watch Fox News
luxmesa t1_j825rev wrote
Okay, so the technology they want is a write-once drive to replace the reusable drives they use to collect results from the voting machines. The idea is that if a drive can only be written to once, then you can guarantee that the data hasn’t been tampered with once it’s been copied from the machine. There’s no evidence that something like this has happened, but even if it had, couldn’t you pull off the same thing by getting an entirely new drive and just swapping it with the real one?
Captain-Griffen t1_j8276br wrote
The goal is to secure elections - for the Republicans.
Captain-Griffen t1_j827lsj wrote
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Write once
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Impossible to hack
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Never messes has technical issues
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Easily verifiable
Sounds like a job for pen and paper.
bobbobbobbobbob2020 t1_j828mjy wrote
Buy now pay later has officially gone too far.
view-master t1_j829yfo wrote
And here’s the thing. The USB drive is encrypted, the paper ballots are locked away and provide a separate record of the votes to compare against. If an election official delivered a USB drive that didn’t match what the actual ballots show(has never happened) they would go to prison. No sane person would try that.
rabb1thole t1_j82gll3 wrote
Texass--the lone brain cell state.
icky_boo t1_j82i58s wrote
They should spend the money on fixing power problems instead of voter suppression.
Btw the tech they want has been around for decades, WORM drives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once_read_many
DubbersDaddy t1_j82jyml wrote
Pen and paper are cheap and effective.
sirpsionics t1_j82kgh5 wrote
Plenty of insane people out there
view-master t1_j82kodm wrote
it’s NEVER EVER happened.
Uncast t1_j82ky60 wrote
Yup. You get what the majority vote for…
Uncast t1_j82l17x wrote
Good. Keep voting conservative. I wanna see how deep they’re willing to screw themselves just to own the libs
Badtrainwreck t1_j82p72b wrote
Florida is wrestling them to be at the bottom
darwinkh2os t1_j82pxx8 wrote
> They keep voting for
But do they really? The world may never know.
Biff_Malibu_69 t1_j82t04y wrote
How in the what the fuck?
ElectricGears t1_j82u5vx wrote
From a fundamental information theory standpoint, it's can't exist*. For secure voting you need to identify the voter and ensure the voter's ballot is included in the final count. The real problem is that you have to do it in a way that not even the voter can identify their ballot in the list of counted ballots. This is necessary to prevent coerced voting. The only way we can do this is by putting ultimate trust in some part of the system. The primary goal when designing voting system is to make that trusted part as small and as simple as possible. All the things you would need to do to make this is work over the internet is diametrically opposed to both those criteria.
That said, you can absolutely design a very inexpensive, easy to use, secure, computerized voting system if you wanted to. It consists of terminals powered by an Arduino, a basic LCD screen and cheap thermal printer. You can have whatever ballot layout (along with any assistive technologies) and the voter makes their selections electronically. The printer prints a voter-verifiable ballot using the same ballot that is mailed to absentee voters. It's put in the same box as the other votes. A scan and counting machine power by another Arduino counts the ballots and displays the number of votes for each candidate/measure.
Ultimate trust is placed in the code and hardware of the counting machine. While that is fairly complex, it is entirely possible to verify it's operation to a reasonable degree of certainly. If you really wanted to be sure, I could design a counting circuit out of fully viable mechanical relays. Plus you can always just hand recount or run them through machines from a different manufacture.
* Theoretically something called homomorphic encryption might be able to solve this, but we have no working implementation and it massively violates criteria number 2.
alieninthegame t1_j82ugdq wrote
I'd like you to meet my friend Gerry Mander.
Nose-Nuggets t1_j82vhee wrote
Pros and cons of no state income tax I suppose?
C7H5N3O6 t1_j82vv36 wrote
Texas proving that the one star on their flag is actually them showing off their Google Maps rating.
whyreadthis2035 t1_j82xm06 wrote
Nothing to see here. Literally.
doogle_126 t1_j82z0lf wrote
Freezing to death you say?
R_Meyer1 t1_j833hoe wrote
If you can do your taxes online, there is absolutely no reason why you can’t vote online not that we actually need it, though.
flossypants t1_j835yr0 wrote
Current rewritable drives, either rotating or solid-state, leave behind "ghosts" of what was previously written that would allow forensic experts to detect tampering. This write-once drive is just tweak on that. It also depends on trusting the drive manufacturer not to include a back door allowing a rewrite. It's not a bad idea but addresses something that's not a priority, it's not a panacea, and they're the sorta folk that might not commission something compliant in time. Dominion should get something compliant made and, if no one else does the same, they can demand an unhealthy amount of money as the unique supplier.
MPenguinGaming t1_j836vde wrote
This article doesn’t name the bill. Also Texas house wasn’t in session in 2021. Only in session every other year. 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022…
MPenguinGaming t1_j836xyw wrote
Nothing is wrong with the grid… use facts
roflkittiez t1_j837xtz wrote
They aren't very shy about it
Temuma t1_j83esgx wrote
You get a lot of paper and pens with 100M.
Jessica65Perth t1_j83ijxz wrote
Why bother the State is gerrymandered
roboninja t1_j83jnv1 wrote
Not relevant for State elections I am pretty sure? Or is Texas "special" that way too?
GravyDangerfield23 t1_j83oax2 wrote
Not entirely true.
It is still relevant as to how the state legislature is broken down, but yes, it is less relevant. For example, let's say for simplicity's sake that Texas had 4 million Dems & 6 million Republicans, leading to a 40/60 split that we would hope to see reflected in the govt body. If there were 10 legislative seats, each representing 1 million people, we could carve up 10 districts — 1 district that had 900k Dems and 100k Republicans, and the other 9 would all have 344,444 Dems and 655,555 Republicans, leading to an easy 90/10 split for Republicans.
MC_chrome t1_j83tet5 wrote
The people living in Texas’s largest cities? Not really.
The chucklefucks living in the middle of nowhere? Absolutely
CakeAccomplice12 t1_j83xwv9 wrote
Fled Cruz, is that you?
Geass10 t1_j84a494 wrote
Good thing they voted for another Republican. Feel no sympathy for that state.
Geass10 t1_j84a5pw wrote
Good thing they voted for another Republican. Feel no sympathy for that state.
DevAway22314 t1_j84d0rj wrote
Link was broken, fixed it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once_read_many
cryptoderpin t1_j84knmv wrote
Cool so the TX gov gets to shovel taxpayer money into their friends “voting tech company” and get a sweet, sweet kick back in the form of political donations, on top of making voting less secure.
We know their games yet we still keep playing the game thus allowing this to continue so in the end it’s really all our fault not the fault of them. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Car-Altruistic t1_j84xro9 wrote
Vaporware? The technology has existed for literally all of my career and I’m old, they’re actually mandated for things that are a lot less consequential than voting systems. The fact voting machine manufacturers don’t want to use such technology is a bigger problem.
I could literally make a RPi based device that plugs into existing voting machines today and sell you a solution that anyone can track online in less than 4 hours, secure, cryptographic proof that track records of votes as they come in.
As the article says, they can always go back to paper, which has been proposed on every side (D, R and I) when alleging fraud.
littleMAS t1_j858ikw wrote
"A great first step towards rigging elections," GOP.
xal1124 t1_j85cofy wrote
With all the complaining of fake votes, dead people voting, etc., do you think that people would go for voting by phone? People barely know how to construct a password more than 8 characters long. People would have their voting accounts accessed by others, and people would vote for them.
xal1124 t1_j85d8qp wrote
Can you cite your source showing that the house is in session during even numbered years instead of odd numbered years?
Inconceivable-2020 t1_j85in4d wrote
So Texas Republicans till embezzle the funds and when the equipment they want is invented, will charge taxpayers again.
MPenguinGaming t1_j85jtx3 wrote
Literally house.texas.gov
xal1124 t1_j85n8p9 wrote
But it’s in session in odd years
MPenguinGaming t1_j85ohhw wrote
No it isn't
xal1124 t1_j85ombh wrote
The Texas Legislature meets in Regular Session for about five months every other year. Regular Sessions begin at noon on the second Tuesday in January of odd numbered years and can last no more than 140 days, ending during the last week of May or the first week of June.
That’s from your source
MPenguinGaming t1_j85posh wrote
The Texas Legislature meets in Regular Session for 140 days every other year. Regular Session begins at noon on the Second Tuesday in January of even numbered years.
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That's direct copypaste
_Oman t1_j85s4rj wrote
You didn't read the requirements very well. You only have a partial solution. They specified the impossible.
LurkerNoLonger_ t1_j85wdy8 wrote
You didn’t even read the article you brainwashed child.
You have no clue how stupid you look because you couldn’t do the bare minimum before commenting.
Sad.
bareboneschicken t1_j85x3kj wrote
From the voter perspective, the machines we have in Bexar County are the best I've seen to date.
R_Meyer1 t1_j869xgp wrote
No, I don’t think voting by phone should be allowed, but if you can do your damn taxes online, you should be able to vote online as an added option to the already in person and by mail options. Voting by mail was never a problem until jackass Trump.
xal1124 t1_j87niye wrote
You changed it wtf
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Shavethatmonkey t1_j8dn700 wrote
It does. You can do banking from your phone, we have MFA, etc. The state could have a voting app.
But the Republican party opposed mail in voting and passed 240 bills to make voting harder for citizens. They will never support easy electronic voting.
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8ni6j3 wrote
At one time I had a design for a voting system which would address so much, but there's no way I'd bother investing in it when these characters just change the rules on a whim all the time. Sure, I could potentially make huge bank on this deal by replacing machines every year or two, but there's the COGS aspect of that which I don't think is really worth it.
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8nipwk wrote
It's literally not a direct copy-paste. LOL
>https://house.texas.gov/about-us/
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>The Texas House of Representatives is composed of 150 members, each elected for a two-year term. The Texas Legislature meets in Regular Session for about five months every other year. Regular Sessions begin at noon on the second Tuesday in January of odd numbered years and can last no more than 140 days, ending during the last week of May or the first week of June. Special Sessions may be called by the Governor and can last up to 30 days.
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8njcdq wrote
Yep, and then complain when the results aren't done that night since it'll all be hand counts.
Sounds like fun.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8nvuh2 wrote
Yours isn’t 🤡🤡🤡
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8nwngt wrote
LOL Mine is word for word from the page. Good try though.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8oagvz wrote
Lol mine is literally word for word. Good try though
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8of4sx wrote
Ahh yes trolling away are we? The page says odd, not even.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8ogk3v wrote
You’re the one who’s made a second account and dug back a few days worth of posts to fail again
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8oh2jh wrote
Nope same account buddy. And I’m still correct. odd years. You actually think I’m that other guy? LOL
MPenguinGaming t1_j8oku24 wrote
This convo started before the account repeatoffender21 was made by 1 day
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8olw1d wrote
Well as it turns out that's not the big gotcha you think it is. The thread is older than this account. Big deal. Offended little folks love to report accounts and get them suspended because they think it's funny.
Doesn't change the fact that you are standing on some crazy hill about odd vs even years, changing the text to match your game. But I guess that's what you were playing with the other guy. Not my problem. I saw the comment, it's patently incorrect, so I stated so and showed the evidence. Your beef with the other commenter, fine, go talk to them.
Still wrong about the facts. LOL
MPenguinGaming t1_j8on0h6 wrote
So you admit to using multiple accounts 🤣
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8or31o wrote
Admit to having to create another one? Sure.
Again you don’t have the gotcha moment you think you do. 😂
And you’re still factually wrong, and I’m still not the other commenter. 🤣
MPenguinGaming t1_j8orr3s wrote
Facts show I’m correct. You gonna come back with a new account in a few days?
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8ot9g7 wrote
Ahh see but the facts do not.
I can go to the Texas legislature link you posted and it backs up it’s odd years.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8ou8cd wrote
But yet it doesn’t
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8oyq8p wrote
LOL I’ll give you credit for the troll. The text I posted awhile ago comes from the “about us” page. Answers it.
But hey, you keep sticking to being wrong.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8oyxso wrote
You fail at life and trolling
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8oza4o wrote
LOL weak effort on your part.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8ozxkb wrote
Yes you are
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8p4ahe wrote
Ahh makes sense you’re what, 12? Seems right.
No originality. Still wrong. LOL
MPenguinGaming t1_j8p4qxa wrote
You keep admitting to me being correct
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8pabwl wrote
You do wish that were true. Oops you’re still wrong.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8paop9 wrote
Keep crying
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8payp5 wrote
You’re doing enough of that for both of us. I’ll pass.
Oh wait I bet you think you’re an “alpha” too….hilarious.
You sling what you think are insults and righteous clever burns but you’re the guy who posted to AskReddit and then deleted it… “Why are people on Reddit so hurtful”.
LOL
Run along now.
MPenguinGaming t1_j8pbcrn wrote
Yet you’re the one spamming replies
RepeatOffender21 t1_j8pbezb wrote
Just replying to yours, no spam here.
Later. Get some help.
strugglz t1_j80w1rx wrote
Spending money on vaporware that results in elections being less secure. Of course.