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Wizywig t1_j8j9h44 wrote

This is the last nail in the ICE coffin.

If Europe bans ICE, car xonpa ies not gonna make em. Not really. Why invest in dying tech.

And some of the biggest money states are already on the 2035 timeline. So any state who ignores the issue now is gonna get pulled in defacto. And if they don't keep up they gonna be in a lot of pain as they are dependent on cars which are quickly disappearing.

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mikasjoman t1_j8m7h1g wrote

Yeah my car is older than 12 years. Why would I buy a gasoline car today when it's a dying tech? A Tesla now looks like my next step, but I'll want to weather this economic downturn first.

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Wizywig t1_j8mvfrp wrote

Eh. By the time gas cars stop being sold, A new car will be old again.

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mikasjoman t1_j8n7nqh wrote

I don't know... My car is old but runs very well. My Prius is from 2009, and it's probably gonna run for 5-10 years more at least.

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Wizywig t1_j8nq4xj wrote

No joke. I sold my prius in 2022 (was 10 years old). The problem is that just around the time now is when the battery is due for a failure and that basically totals the car. Though I think the old Nickel batteries are less likely to fail than the lithium ones (though they are heavier).

The thing is... in 12 years new ICE cars won't be sold. Likely still plenty of market for ICE cars used. I think today buying an ICE isn't much of a risk. But the hope is that car companies focus less on ICE investment. Though seeing companies like Mazda really push these engines to the limit in terms of how much energy can be extracted from the gas can be a very useful tech if we can't quite get the infra ready for a fully electric market.

We'll see in 2032 what the practical landscape looks like. but hopefully by then buying an electric will be a no-brainer. But we don't know if Lithium supplies are going to be enough, or if new amazing tech comes out to where battery lifetimes extend by a lot and recycling becomes a solid tech.

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mikasjoman t1_j8nutut wrote

Yeah to be honest we don't even know if they'll be lithium. Lots of companies and researchers exploring new chemistries. I mean look how fast the cheaper and aafer lithium iron phosphate batteries took hold of the EV batteries, feels like yesterday they entered the market.

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Wizywig t1_j8nwtnp wrote

Indeed. Its why I'm not sweating it honestly. I used to sweat it thinking "omg if I buy an ICE what will happen". Cars depreciate in value already. In 10 years when my new car will be 10 years old... It'll still be before the 2035 timeline. I might lose 5k on the total value of the car when selling, maybe, but that's why holding a car for 10 years makes it more or less useful. Who knows, maybe by then Waymo will make me having to have my own car irrelevant.

So who knows. Make purchasing decisions that make sense for the next 5-7 years, as for the way future, who knows.

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