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Teftell t1_je5159b wrote

Reply to comment by spectre1210 in US hands China easy PR win with TikTok show by HorrorCharacter5127

No, I will make fun of 'murricans praising a totalitarian law, enjoy your democracy, while you can.

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spectre1210 t1_je54uu7 wrote

Lol you'll make fun of Americans because you fail to comprehend what's being said? I figured when you used the label 'murricans' in this reply.

Please tell us, what beacon of democracy do you hail from? Don't worry, I'll wait...

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Teftell t1_je5716v wrote

I do not live in a "beacon of democracy", I live in a totalitarian shithole of a country. And now as I saw your Restrict bill, I can not resist but laugh and make fun of you. A vague law, that will allow to ban any foreign site or software without disclosing a reason, allowing to jail you for a decade just for use of a VPN, for visiting restricted site, in a country, that sanctioned my shithole for totalitarian opression, that proclaims itself a spearhead of democratic and liberal values, what a treat!

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spectre1210 t1_je57uv0 wrote

Ahh so it's just a game of whataboutism! Not surprising given your proximity to the former Soviet Union.

I'll certainly agree that this bill is too vague and needs refining language to specify its intent, but saying this makes us worse than China or Russia when it comes to digital privacy is laughable.

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Teftell t1_je59zg1 wrote

I can use VPN, visit restricted sites without a threat of being jailed for 10 years or going bankrupt, will you be able to say the same in a near future?

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spectre1210 t1_je5auf2 wrote

RemindMe! 2 years

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Teftell t1_je5te86 wrote

May be like 2 months?

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spectre1210 t1_je5u8xy wrote

Lol OK - then set a reminder and show me how wrong I am come June.

Edit: Or just scurry off to your corner, as was expected.

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spectre1210 t1_je5arhx wrote

I also get all my news analysis from Twitter and social media lol.

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roflmaolz t1_je5t7ns wrote

https://www.newsweek.com/does-tiktok-ban-allow-20-year-prison-sentence-1790932

Here is that Twitter source for you!

Btw I'm American and personally don't want to see another Patriot act in my lifetime.

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spectre1210 t1_je5to6n wrote

Oh thanks! Did you read the actual article, or just the headline?

Here, I'll help you out:

> "Under the terms of the bill, someone must be engaged in 'sabotage or subversion' of communications technology in the U.S., causing 'catastrophic effects' on U.S. critical infrastructure, or 'interfering in, or altering the result' of a federal election in order for criminal penalties to apply," Warner's communications director, Rachel Cohen, said.

Lol OK, you're an American. So am I. Saying Patriot Act isn't going to be enough for me to disregard my entire point. I agree the language in this bill is a bit non-specific (often how legislation is crafted) and could be refined, but anyone claiming they won't be able to use a VPN in the next few months is being bombastic at best.

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roflmaolz t1_je6s9zu wrote

Right, just like how the Patriot act was supposed to be just for anti terrorism and all of a sudden, NSA is wiretapping and gathering data on regular Americans.

That's the problem that you don't seem to understand. This vague and broad wording is giving unelected officials broad and sweeping powers to do so much all in the name of "national security", just like the Patriot act. You have to be really naive to think the government won't abuse this power and stretch the wording to do as much as they want.

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spectre1210 t1_je75axn wrote

The failing of the Patriot Act is the act itself, or a failure to enforce it as was intended? I'd certainly argue the original intent of that bill was justified in its own right, as is the RESTRICT Act considering TikTok's proximity to the Chinese government. We've also ceased use of Huawei chips in federal devices for similar reasons, so it's not exactly like this is an immediate reaction over a singular event. But if you're genuinely concerned about surveillance and manipulation of regular citizens, just you wait until you learn about how China operates - at least one reason to put in the "pro" list of the RESTRICT Act.

So you see, the problem is that you don't seem to understand. In fact, it seems like all you want to do is compare this to the Patriot Act, and label anyone as naive who disagrees with you.

Amusingly, I think you're naive for failing to see the differences in these circumstances, rather than fixating on the similarities.

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