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recon89 t1_japoozw wrote
Gotta find a guinea pig somewhere, I mean they already tested real pigs.. now they need to test other pigs. I mean people. Can they implant Elon as a test? Clone him first obviously, they need a backup at least.
Wakkoooo t1_jaqdqds wrote
The neuralink subreddit is filled with guinea pigs, it's insane lol
jampapi t1_jaq5871 wrote
I think a backup Elon (or a fleet of them) is exactly why he’s doing this. That old idiom about a man and his wealth (“you can’t take it with you”) may be nearing its expiration date. Imagine Elon-droids still utilizing that fortune 200 years from now, on Mars, in space, fistfighting Bezos-bot, the possibilities are endless
Washout22 t1_jaq5h0k wrote
Sweet! Mars robot boxing. Judging by their space companies, I'll take Elon.
Bezos is likely lex luthor.
BurningPenguin t1_jaqn8w3 wrote
More like Lex Luthor fighting his equally evil brother
Washout22 t1_jasp8d0 wrote
But he has better rockets.
moses420bush t1_jaq5qv2 wrote
They'll open a facility in some country with terrible regulations.
josefx t1_japxi0s wrote
The good news is that this is neuralink we are talking about. With the amount of monkey brains they went through the most likely outcome is a painful death, not eternal enslavement to twitter.
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RaccoonProcedureCall t1_jaqjl6r wrote
Yeah, I get the excitement there is for this tech, but it seems to me that even the slightest scrutiny reveals grave risks at practically every level from immediate health hazards to potential societal problems. I think there are some non-technological challenges that really ought to be addressed before we consider incorporating this kind of technology into our lives.
1015267 t1_jas552d wrote
The fact that we don’t have a miracle cure that can cure neurons?
Due-Resident-4588 t1_japi37e wrote
I don’t trust anyone enough to ever have a chip on my brain. You never know what they could be doing. Your thoughts could be controlled , just so much that could happen I would never trust it.
moses420bush t1_jaq5ook wrote
You wouldn't but kids born into a world where it is normal wouldn't think twice. Scary.
RaccoonProcedureCall t1_jaqiwnb wrote
It’s also scary to think of a world in which this technology becomes necessary to be competitive. I hate to imagine what would happen if no company was willing to hire someone who can’t interact with a computer as quickly as they can think, yet some people still refused to use the technology for various reasons.
DneSokas t1_jaqn2n8 wrote
You wouldn't neccesarily have to take that kind of risk with a brain interface, its pretty easy to make a circuit that can output only so you control the computer with your thoughts but there's no return line so it still has to show the information back to you on a screen. A screen on you're eyeball if you want to be all fancy and integrated about it but a screen with no direct input to your brain beyond the usual visual means.
This is probably actually the prefered way to set up such a system because the actual implanted parts are pretty much just your peripherals meaning you can have the actual device be external which saves you a lot of unnecesary surgery every time computers get better.
Of course musk is the same guy who's proposing indentured servitude on mars so he's probably going down the mind control route if he can.
ACCount82 t1_jaqzddd wrote
First Neuralink devices are expected to work like that. The device only scans the brain for inputs, and uses those inputs to drive peripherals like virtual mouse or keyboard. No neural feedback involved.
We don't really know what the limits of the no-feedback approach are. It could be that you would be able to achieve superhuman typing speeds on those first gen systems, with lots of practice - or that a more in-depth approach would be required for that.
it_administrator01 t1_jar5d0m wrote
> Your thoughts could be controlled
big tech have already been doing this for a decade
PunchCakee t1_jawp92e wrote
I dont know why you say that? Nearly every single product that has hit the market has been reverse engineered by a lot of people including the most elite hardware developers and embedded systems engineers.
The possibility of something like a remote code execution happening is so so slim.
Due-Resident-4588 t1_jawtytc wrote
If you say so. I’ll let you test the brain Chips first then.
DangerousAd1731 t1_jaog9vf wrote
Go to r/spicypillows Reddit. You probably don’t want a lithium battery in your head!
TastyLaksa t1_jaozjjn wrote
What WOULD you want in your head that’s not already there and wasn’t essential
ACCount82 t1_jaqz6jy wrote
Lots of things. Human brain is painfully limited and borderline inadequate for the requirements the modern world puts on it.
Of course, the current state of the art is nowhere near being able to improve on that. But that's now. BCI tech is really promising still - too many human limitations lie in the brain, and we can't do anything about them without cracking the skull open.
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ACCount82 t1_jasobh1 wrote
/u/SidewaysFancyPrance: still have your comment cached, so here's a reply
This kind of feedback loop has been going for a while now. Humans shaping their environment, and adapting to the environment they themselves shaped. It's a process so old it pops up in the fossil record. It's just stuck on a bottleneck now. Humans got too good at shaping their environment, and evolution no longer cuts it when it comes to shaping humans to match it in turn.
Which means: it's time to take over that part of the process too.
>If we feel like we have to install hardware in our brains to survive, we've failed as a species.
Or: that humans have truly succeeded as a species.
Humans have a history of breaking natural limits. Humankind used to be foragers - until humans got very sick of their food supply being at a whim of their environment and invented agriculture, enabling them to specialize and accomplish more. Humans used to rely on spoken word to teach and spread knowledge - until they invented writing, allowing human knowledge to endure, to resist corruption, to be stored, transferred and replicated much more effectively. Humans used to get culled by horrendous pandemics - until they got tired of dying pointless deaths and started figuring out things like germs, vaccines and disease prevention. Humans used to struggle to understand their world, inventing things like superstitions in a desperate attempt to explain what they could not understand - until they invented scientific method, allowing their imperfect minds to be used to discern the truths of the world.
The thing is, it's not about survival. Humans haven't been a threatened species since the last Ice Age. It's about how humans want to live.
Imagine having intuitive understanding of personal finances. Or an ability to remember and recall strong enough that "where I left that thing?" or "did I forget to turn something off?" never happens in your life anymore. Or just being flat out smarter - better at remembering, understanding, recalling, making the right connections and applying knowledge. Imagine being able to get by on a single hour of sleep a day - and feeling more rested than you do after a full night of sleep now. Imagine being able to pry a drug addiction straight out of your mind just by wanting to do so.
Those things are impossible now. They don't have to remain that way.
moses420bush t1_jaq5txp wrote
The master control chip
einmaldrin_alleshin t1_jar71g5 wrote
Lithium batteries are the standard type of battery used in things like pacemakers. They are they dense and very safe.
Of course, not to be confused with lithium ion batteries.
BurningPenguin t1_jaqnecf wrote
Aren't there some experiments with using the body heat to produce power or something?
ACCount82 t1_jaqylzs wrote
Not good enough to be practical. Not enough power output, not enough long term stability. Power cells are the only option for powering something like Neuralink - at least for now.
Plzbanmebrony t1_japwbjd wrote
This is pretty standard.
ACCount82 t1_jaqyjik wrote
Not getting regulatory approval the first time around is a fairly usual thing. Especially for a new product in a fairly new field.
reconrose t1_jar63hy wrote
The monkey slaying, not so much
Plzbanmebrony t1_jaramgs wrote
All rumors. Most people don't even understand nerualink doesn't even install the chip or house the monkeys.
ImaginaryEffort4409 t1_jaqk4rr wrote
Meanwhile it's 2023 and my brand new $600 phone can't even reliably recognize my fingerprint lol
Plzbanmebrony t1_jaqx8ha wrote
Turn that feature off. Cops can make you unlock it but they can't make you give them a password.
it_administrator01 t1_jar5a8c wrote
or just leave it on because not everyone has things to hide from police
Plzbanmebrony t1_jaraqna wrote
They will find something. Pleading guilty is often far cheaper than a trial. They are counting on that.
it_administrator01 t1_jarbmao wrote
And I'm counting on just using biometric security rather than living out of fear that police are going to randomly pull me aside and insist on looking through my phone
Plzbanmebrony t1_jarcdru wrote
Wait where do you live? Which nation.
it_administrator01 t1_jarebvw wrote
My time is divided up between the UK and the US
My point is that I don't just walk around as an average citizen in fear of law enforcement randomly targeting me and my phone - frankly that's a strange way of living and an even stranger justification of removing one of the biggest QoL improvements that smartphones have had in the past 15 years.
If I was a drug dealer or terrorist, sure - passcode only, but living out of fear that police are randomly going to target me out of the blue, and then scour the 55000 photos/1m+ messages on my phone until they find something incriminating is a comical level of paranoia and epitomises the attitude of the average redditor with limited real world experience. There are faster ways for police to fill their quotas.
Tony_TNT t1_jaquvb8 wrote
I have multiple scars and had a few broken bones. Body almost always can heal to some extent, but never fully and there's always some marks, inconveniences and imperfections. Can't imagine willingly wanting someone to rummage around in your head to implant some new half-assed tech into it and hope it almost works at best and doesn't make you a vegetable at worst.
EngineFrosty t1_jaul957 wrote
This man is a con-artist. He is way out of his depth on this. Dealing with the FDA is a whole different animal than fucking electric cars.
filledalot t1_javquw6 wrote
tesla and spacex are surely scams too huh ?
WimbleWimble t1_jawu8do wrote
The Link OP has provided relates to a denial at the end of 2021 / beginning of 2022 and bears zero relation to the current 2023 application/tech
wambulancer t1_jap3paj wrote
what, exactly, about the way our society, systems, and economy is set up says "oh hell yea install a computer in my brain this will have no bad outcomes"