Submitted by altmorty t3_124yq0y in technology
PurelyLurking20 t1_je4py1i wrote
Reply to comment by GekkosGhost in EU fossil fuel car ban gets final green light by altmorty
I guess I didn't make it clear enough but the UK tore down a lot of the prior existing cities or never rebuilt them after WW2 so that they could make way for the same type of development that America did. You are suffering the same problem but your neighbors in places like Amsterdam aren't.
You know what is miserable? Sitting in traffic and wasting my life away every day. Not being able to walk like we were naturally born to do in order to pick up something to eat or buy groceries. The noise of highways, and the likelihood that you'll die there. Pedestrians getting mowed over by cars. The insane amount of pollution and waste they've created. I would take getting rained on a little bit if it was substantially less full of oil byproducts.
The reason cities were built how they are now in America, and by extension the UK, was because of aggressive lobbying by the oil and vehicle industries to remove pedestrian centric spaces and create ridiculously expensive suburbs. We changed our plans once and we can again, some cities have already made moves in the right direction.
Bikes and buses are the most reasonable transport. You know what is even worse than some idiot on a loud ass bike at 6 am? Some idiot revving up his jet powered hovercraft in your weird dysfunctional future. Have you been anywhere near a flight line? Or even a fairly large drone? That will never be allowed near residential areas.
If you want your personal vehicle, move to the countryside and don't ruin public spaces for everyone else. The only unrealistic thing about living in a walkable city is how insanely expensive they are for housing right now. And that's because too many people are trying to live in them and instead of building more vertically we are building useless parking lots for suburbanites that can't afford to live here currently.
GekkosGhost t1_je4s5bl wrote
>the UK tore down a lot of the prior existing cities or never rebuilt them after WW2 so that they could make way for the same type of development that America did
Lol. No we didn't. We revbuilt Coventry because it got flattened but every city we had at the start we had by the end.
MK we tried around your planning, with mixed results. But that was a new city.
>You know what is miserable? Sitting in traffic and wasting my life away every day
Self driving motorhomes will fix that.
>Not being able to walk like we were naturally born to do in order to pick up something to eat or buy groceries. The
I've just got back from a walk into town (the one I live in rather than work in). Traffic didn't stop you walking you just stay on the pavement.
>Pedestrians getting mowed over by cars
Most pedestrians cause the accident they're involved in. Very few get stuck on the footpath.
Same with cyclists which is why so few motorists are persecuted despite almost every cyclist having video evidence of their accident.
>The insane amount of pollution and waste they've created.
No case to answer Vs electric cars.
>I would take getting rained on a little bit if it was substantially less full of oil byproducts
That's nice for you but it's not the choice most people would make. They could make it now and they don't.
>Bikes and buses are the most reasonable transport
If by reasonable you mean terrible then yes. They're slow, inefficient, unpredictable, and pony useful for short journeys. It's legacy thinking.
>That will never be allowed near residential areas
And yet they will be. It's the future. So trying to make everyone live in the past. We didn't mind it so we changed it. Progress.
>If you want your personal vehicle, move to the countryside and don't ruin public spaces for everyone else
If you don't want to be near people personal vehicles then move to the countryside and stop loving in a city morning about everyone else. You can do this now.
PurelyLurking20 t1_je4u3xn wrote
Im not gonna argue anymore based on your views on future tech development without considering the consequence I don't think we're getting anywhere. You fell for the same car centric propaganda you've been fed. Also you walked to the store which is already better than what Americans can do in their suburbs. That's legitimately not an option for most people here.
GekkosGhost t1_je4vpp7 wrote
Yeah, you seem determined to drag us back to a golden age that never was and refuse to embrace technology as though the luddites were coming back on one of your buses.
Let's agree to disagree.
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