FruityWelsh t1_iu55rwo wrote on October 28, 2022 at 4:59 PM

Reply to comment by Atticus_Vague in AI-generated art sparks furious backlash from Japan’s anime community by JumpinKing

Typing a word is the same as pointing and clicking.

You are dismissing the work people do put in to get good generated art. It's the equivalent of equating what you do with a camera with what I do with my phone when I see my dog being cute.

Like I want AI generated art to be able to make masterpieces that take the ideas in my head and turn them to be as good as some of the awesome works I've seen so far, but I'm just winging the phrase and picking between maybe 18 images, so clearly not putting in the same effort as some of the people really making cool works.

Atticus_Vague t1_iu5a9lv wrote on October 28, 2022 at 5:28 PM

I’m dismissing the idea that typing a word and selecting an image, then doing some basic post processing is art.

Photography is not pointing and clicking, if I handed you my camera bag, you wouldn’t even know how to attach a lens to the camera body, and if you did figure that out, my camera is a pro rig, so unless you know what all those little numbers do, you likely won’t even be able to make a properly exposed photograph. Furthermore, as I said, my photography is not the same as my drawing and painting. Photos take an average of 1/60 of a second to make. The average painting I do is somewhere between 10-20 hours of time. But photography is truth and photographers must bear witness to the truths they record. And for that reason, photography has earned its place in the art world.

Much as I try, I can’t find any similarly compelling attributes to AI art. Its as fast as a photograph, without truth or bearing witness and without any in depth learning about the art.

Like I keep saying, it’s the Cooking Mama of art. You don’t have to agree with me (even though I’ve worked in the visual arts for three decades). My opinion is just that, and opinion.

I mean I’m sure some folks make some pretty cool things using AI. But those of us who can turn a piece of white paper into art with nothing more than a pencil will always be entirely unimpressed by AI ‘art’. Sorry but we’ve earned that privilege.

FruityWelsh t1_iu7cepu wrote on October 29, 2022 at 2:44 AM

> Photography is not pointing and clicking, if I handed you my camera bag, you wouldn’t even know how to attach a lens to the camera body, and if you did figure that out, my camera is a pro rig, so unless you know what all those little numbers do, you likely won’t even be able to make a properly exposed photograph.

Do you know how to make generative art professionally? Or know what all the dials and inputs mean or do?

Atticus_Vague t1_iu8boov wrote on October 29, 2022 at 10:08 AM

I teach computer graphics so I’m familiar with photoshop, lightroom, Illustrator, and have even done some low level work with Maya (3-D animation program). Have I personally laid eyes on one of these AI art generating programs? No. Am I confident that I could figure out the UI quickly and easily navigate the tool menus? Yes.