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dontpet t1_iu65otg wrote

Reply to comment by DarkDeSantis in Social Media Giants Systemically Fail on Hate and Disinformation, Report Says by HowMyDictates

I'm so for keeping disinformation off of social media. The devil is always on the details but there is objective truth out there and dishonest malevolent actors and we are all better off pushing it back at various levels.

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NaturalNines t1_iu66ocd wrote

Problem is that's such a subjective standard. And reddit moderators are known for being of their own ideological slant.

If "disinformation" is defined as "I disagree" or "I'm more skeptical because I disagree, thus I'll enforce a higher standard" is toxic and shuts down the conversation. This creates a bubble that helps to radicalize and further creates disinformation by only presenting limited information.

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bluekittydaemon t1_iu79929 wrote

As long as we're talking about fact checking as a part of moderating and not "we have to let white supremacists talk for ten minutes bc you got ten minutes".

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NaturalNines t1_iu8j1gy wrote

As long as we're talking about actual white supremacists and not "I disagree so you're a white supremacist".

Goes both ways.

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smitbret t1_iu6acir wrote

I see you're getting downvotes for being open minded.

Wouldn't be Reddit if it was any other way

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NaturalNines t1_iu6b3sr wrote

According to upvotes I'm an incredibly nice person on every different subreddit... until politics. Then I'm an irredeemable asshole because I disagree.

And these radicals think that's convincing.

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Marsdor t1_iu6d539 wrote

It's why I don't even post on political subs, just a bunch of doomsayers with no idea how to help things out.

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NaturalNines t1_iu6efee wrote

I have very recently learned that lesson. I tried asking questions, just simple questions. They respond with such hostility I eventually would give a "You're a nutjob" response and BAM. Banned permanently. I'd even request why, pointing out that it took constant aggression that they ignored for me to finally insult back. And I got another insult from a mod, calling me a child and asking me why the rules don't apply to me while ignoring the rest. I check out that sub later? Nothing but constant violations of what they banned me for.

Social media is not for disagreement or free thought anymore. The lunatics took control of the asylum for now.

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Marsdor t1_iu6fg0g wrote

Makes me miss the early 2000s where people could disagree and not be labeled some ist or phobe, people could actually debate and change others perspectives.. nowadays that seems a distant reality in our current socio landscape.

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NaturalNines t1_iu6g0dx wrote

I mean.... there were problems then. I'm not sure I appreciate having been able to stumble across execution videos and other such horrible shit when I was a teenager.

But debate? Different story, haha. Yes, definitely prefer being able to have discussions. Voice an opinion, wrong or right, it got corrected, we all called each other every name but didn't care, free speech is great.

Bunch of crazy disinformation! Like remember how everyone heard that Marilon Manson removed a rib to be able to suck his own dick? Fucking crazy! Oh well.

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Marsdor t1_iu6gcui wrote

Yeah it was a little on the rough side and I'm glad we can filter the extreme unwanted content out but yeah we're definitely missing something from then that worked better than the current thing we have now.

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_ilovemen t1_iu81n56 wrote

It’s called being young lol. You’ve just gotten older and now notice way more stuff.

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