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GoMeegoGo t1_iu3kj2u wrote


u9Nails t1_iu3nu4h wrote

The battery chemistry favors the same conditions that humans prefer.

Cold regions, that are Worlds famous for skiing, will not like the pure electric adoption laws. The cars will continue to work, but at a reduced range. (Think 10% less.)


annualburner202209 t1_iu3qv28 wrote

Low population density, long distances to everything, infrastructure, no service nearby, batteries and electronics don't work well in those temperatures...etc


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu3l2vr wrote

They don't do well in cold temps. It's an issue that a lot of the auto industry is now looking at.

Edit: so absolutely none of you dumbfucks read articles or work in the auto industry.


Pegguins t1_iu3mmgc wrote

You mean like Norway, Iceland and Sweden. Which are cold basically everywhere during winter, and have the highest per capita ownership of electric cars already?


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu3modq wrote

Maybe read the article?


Pegguins t1_iu3n32v wrote

Maybe you should because it literally just comes down to "you use the heating when it's cold so think about your maximum range and charging" which is no different to a petrol car during summer with AC


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu3nftv wrote

Here's another quote in the article where they're speaking to the American Chemical Society....

"When the battery is used to power a car (discharge mode), lithium ions move out of the graphite anode and cross the electrolyte toward the cathode....lithium atoms that are intercalated in the graphite are oxidized at the anode, which leaves free electrons behind that can travel through an electric circuit.” An electrolyte, by the way, is a gel or liquid that can basically carry electric charge via ions. When the temperature is cold, these chemical reactions are slowed in both directions."


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu3nbb9 wrote

"During colder temperatures, EV batteries do not charge as fast, are less efficient, and will be more affected by electric functions within the car like heating, regenerative braking or seat warming. Why is this the case? Unlike a typical combustion engine-powered car, an EV relies on a battery."

Again... learn to read the article before angrily responding and looking incredibly stupid.


Pegguins t1_iu3ozk0 wrote

Maybe you should read again. Its not saying they don't work, but that you need to think about it in cold weather. The battery charges slower, and heating etc puts additional requirements on the battery supply but the article literally says it's not a particularly big deal you just need to factor that in and not aim to drive the stated maximum distance without a charge. Again exactly like a petrol car with AC...


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu4d9f4 wrote

I literally never said they don't work. You cannot read. I said they have issues, which are outlined in the article. What a joke.


The_Countess t1_iu3oxeg wrote

That's already a solved problem by warming up the battery before use.


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu4dejg wrote

Seeing as that's not the case with EVs from Tesla, Ford, Peugeot, etc.... the problem is not solved yet.


mdielmann t1_iu6a1zz wrote

Lol talking about people not reading the article and you didn't even get to the end of the title.

I live near one of the coldest cities in the world, EVs are more common all the time, and one user said he sees about a 10% drop in range due in the winter. That means that if I bought a brand-new EV and never parked it indoors that it would go from a 500 km range to 450 in the winter. I can live with that. Even with a slow charger, it should be back at full every day before we leave home.


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu6nc8z wrote

Really... so you want to say I didn't read and then you agree with me that there are issues (ie a 10% drop in efficiency)... yeah, you're not very smart....


mdielmann t1_iu6r5f6 wrote

No, I'm saying a 10% drop isn't an issue.

To clarify, where I live it is recommended to not get below 25% fuel remaining, preferably not below 50%, in the winter. Low fuel levels can lead to frost in your tank and then to frozen fuel lines. So this would be a positive impact in my region.


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu6s3vg wrote

Then thank God you don't build cars. Jesus, you're dumb.


mdielmann t1_iu7jgkv wrote

So I'm dumb because I've experienced this before, or I'm dumb because the mechanic said this was the problem? Just trying to clarify.


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu7l8dt wrote

You're dumb because I'm a quality engineer that has access to the data on this problem lol


mdielmann t1_iu7ohsq wrote

And yet you don't understand the risks of driving an ICE car under extreme cold conditions. I'm not saying you don't have a job in this market, but this situation isn't exactly unheard of. Sometimes the drawing board and real-world experience don't match up.


iPlayWithWords13 t1_iu7pm5l wrote

The risks of driving a vehicle with a combustion engine vs an electric engine in extreme cold is significantly less. The propulsion systems in EV are more prone to failure where as with an ICE, as long as you give the car ample time to warm up, you're fine.