Submitted by mepper t3_y4u2t6 in technology
YABoolejan t1_isiunfs wrote
Reply to comment by av2706 in Workers at second Apple store vote to join union by mepper
Yeah but maybe it's better to have better working conditions than winning some kind of turf war
av2706 t1_isj0b5c wrote
Better working conditions cannot be created artificially… software engineers get all lots of perks… not because they are some magicians.. but because these people work in profession which is in demand and competition is high.. so to keep good talent companies need to treat them better than they treat warehouse workers because warehouse workers are abundant and only skills they need is use motor functions using brain but software engineers need to constantly solve and debug errors in short time frame… this is reason why people study and get degrees .. to get skilled and use it to become in demand in job market.. hope u understand
YABoolejan t1_isj4u9m wrote
Of course but that's why we need unions. To give power to the workers who don't inherently have as much leverage.
And also as we've seen with Amazon recently, warehouse workers aren't as abundant anymore when your turnover rate is above 100% per year.
But since I'm not from the US maybe I just don't know anything about anything :D
av2706 t1_isj5olc wrote
Tell me u don’t know how economics work.. lol so read this
Union want what they think is better wage but companies run on supply demand .. it’s market and their skills that decide what they are worth… let’s take hypothetical company with union workers if all over industry they are paid similar than this company will also try to pay same.. if they pay same then they can market their product in competitive range but unions want more wage so if content agree to increase wage they have to transfer extra price increase in goods to customers… so customer will not but their product and that company will take loss.. that content will take loss then they have to fire workers or risk going under if finances are not managed.. now u tell me those employees were making at least some money before union used their card now they are unemployed but they will blame this on company not union but root cause was union asked inflated salary for their members which was not possible in market scenario.. now u may ask why not union whole industry.. if u union whole industry then too u will face similar consequences but this time it will take toll on whole industry.. if cars become expensive from every company then people won’t buy them and go to use bike or public transport instead.. thousands of employees will go unemployed and earn nothing.. so will u be happy??
YABoolejan t1_isj9w7f wrote
Maybe it'd help if CEOs didn't take millions in salaries for themselves and used that to pay their workers. Companies like apple don't have to pass down the increase in wages to be their customers. And we've seen that they can just price hike their iPhones to 1000€ for the base tier model and people still buy it. So either was this wouldn't be that big of an issue. Just pay your people a living wage and give them healthcare, Jesus Christ!
av2706 t1_isjah0r wrote
Have u asked why Hollywood stars make millions?? Why basketball players, singers artist all earn so high?? What work they do?? Just play sing act .. what brain function do they have to use?? Ceo is paid way less than those guys and his job depend on his work.. if he can’t turjn company into better one than it won’t be able to hire new employees isn’t it?? And those stakeholders traded their hard work for shares of company in hope of that company pay them some profit for believing .. so ceo has to use all his might.. a good ceo is difference between apple and blackberry as company
YABoolejan t1_isjav47 wrote
No one individual deserves or needs that much money. Not artists, not entrepreneurs. Hospital CEOs are one of the worst when it comes to this. Intentionally understaffing their facilities to the point of mentally breaking their personell, yet making millions themselves and then blaming (or even suing) their workers for wanting to quit and find a better job. It's nonsense
av2706 t1_isjb9mj wrote
Is their skills and hardwork that gives them money lol.. stop being salty and do what u want in life.. they earned it by dragging their ass f@@@ hard everywhere.. if company perform bad they gets fired and their cv ruined forever and very rare they get new job .. is high risk high reward
YABoolejan t1_isjc9ad wrote
And the hard work and skills of medical staff is what keep us alive! Shouldn't we ensure that they can live a good life because that will ultimately make life better for everyone who has to get healthcare (which is everyone at some point)? Like yeah sure CEOs got their "grindset" or whatever but how many people did they have to exploit and leave in the dust to get there? If they wouldn't care as much about their profit then I wouldn't care as much either. But the fact that most CEOs of large companies are more focussed on their own gain than the well-being of their workers is just so evil to me
Edit: and also: maybe CEOs have such a hard time getting a new job that isn't CEO because they lack basic skills you need for most jobs
av2706 t1_isjd29t wrote
Doctors are most of well paid jobs in whole country … high skilled job in demand and small pool of people to pick … there is no problem for any doctor.. and if he worry so much about customer why not start a free of cost health clinic and we will see how long will he sustain it .. it’s not easy living in a market world … many jobs are connected and again stop being salty .. these ceo have years of experience in industry go to top h school by taking huge loans .. and try to live whole life doing their jobs .. they don’t enjoy paid vacation beach side but work to keep their jobs and maintain trust from stakeholders who put their life savings in companies share .. so u should maybe consider those stakeholders too as human .. everyone has ambitions to live good life and rich life … if they live as they wanted why u getting so jealous ?? Becuse u are poor and using Reddit wasting time don’t entitled u to live equivalent life of those who strive for success and live doing 100 hrs per week continuously … one mistake one bad pr for company and confidence lost in company by share holders .. that’s risk job they work .. handling billions of money worth business is it easy as typing on Reddit
YABoolejan t1_isje3z5 wrote
Yesss you finally pulled "poor Redditor just jealous" card! Classic. Guess I just got destroyed by facts and logic. I understand that business owners have to keep their business alive. What I dislike is that they think their shareholders are more important than they employees. That's why unions are a good way to put pressure on those suits and remind them of the needs of their workforce.
And yes I am just a Redditor ranting about the economy of a foreign country, but that's because to me the US' system is so obviously fundamentally broken that it's baffling as to why so many people seem to just be okay with it
av2706 t1_isjebhf wrote
No one is tying u to company.. u don’t like ur salary change company bro .. people doing it since ages.. if u think u are worth more why not go to new company
YABoolejan t1_isjizfc wrote
As I said that is exactly what some nurses were trying to do during the pandemic when their employer tried suing them and force them to keep working for the company. So the issue is more that managers just don't seem to understand that if they want to keep people working for them they have to actually listen to their issues. "Just work somewhere else lul" is not an argument against unions. Just as "just move to a better place" is not an argument against trying to stop climate change
av2706 t1_isjjfw2 wrote
Climate has been changing on this planet for millions of years and will happen for millions of years more.. this earth will survive at least as much as sun … till then neither us nor future generations need to worry and animals have come and gone but planet stayed even after a meteor strike this planet got liveable again so don’t worry
YABoolejan t1_isjqf78 wrote
I'm sorry but once you start denying climate change I'm not willing to discuss anymore😅 Getting a little too much Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson in here
av2706 t1_isjrco0 wrote
Ok no problem but imagine how earth existed all these millions years before us
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av2706 t1_isj5hqj wrote
Union want what they think is better wage but companies run on supply demand .. it’s market and their skills that decide what they are worth… let’s take hypothetical company with union workers if all over industry they are paid similar than this company will also try to pay same.. if they pay same then they can market their product in competitive range but unions want more wage so if content agree to increase wage they have to transfer extra price increase in goods to customers… so customer will not but their product and that company will take loss.. that content will take loss then they have to fire workers or risk going under if finances are not managed.. now u tell me those employees were making at least some money before union used their card now they are unemployed but they will blame this on company not union but root cause was union asked inflated salary for their members which was not possible in market scenario.. now u may ask why not union whole industry.. if u union whole industry then too u will face similar consequences but this time it will take toll on whole industry.. if cars become expensive from every company then people won’t buy them and go to use bike or public transport instead.. thousands of employees will go unemployed and earn nothing.. so will u be happy??
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av2706 t1_isj79og wrote
U all are scammed into thinking Scandinavian countries are socialist welfare state but in fact they have better ease of doing work and more competition than usa who u all blame of exploitation…. A country with private schools and 60 percent t tax on poor u all will get baffled on first instance if this gets implemented in usa
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av2706 t1_isj8p22 wrote
So u tell me which industry is doing good that have unions.. give some example according to u where workers living good lifestyle and high wages.. where is that paradise
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av2706 t1_isjalm7 wrote
Same uk whose currency tanking like crazy?? Lol.. it’s all those years of inflation and buildup to crisis of uk all thanks to socialist policies and they will pay severely.. winter is coming in Europe and they don’t have anything to protect
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av2706 t1_isjcefx wrote
Everything in economy is correlated .. unions treasury .. govt spending poor welfare schemes .. NHs high taxes all lead to a buildup for years in that country.. Covid and recession just accelerated whole crisis.. union is small cog in big fail machinery.. and I told u repeatedly high wages if unions must be paid.. every thing comes with cost and that cost come due for uk now
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av2706 t1_isj6jqt wrote
Wait Sweden Is more pro capitalist than usa .. it’s pension system is privatised.. Sweden takes more money from its poor than rich .. its anything but a socialist unionist society
watch this video lol
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av2706 t1_isj7g8v wrote
U came up with idea of Scandinavian not me bro now u telling me I’m out of topic?? I presented my arguments against every your argument u have yet u say I just rant but I spoke with reasoning not irrationally just look back to what all I wrote
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av2706 t1_isj8ktz wrote
None of those country are competing at level of us or Scandinavian ones.. they are developed because of their past colonisation they accumulated good wealth… Dutch France Spain uk were leading colonisers and now we are all seeing their charm fading 100 yrs after their colonisation ended.. people are not happy in those countries.. just because they being to first world country don’t mean they are not suffering.. high taxes making their rich flee country going to Singapore or Monaco.. u have to look deep than just waffling random countries
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av2706 t1_isj9ua4 wrote
It may be in ur interest to earn inflated salary but nothing comes free.. people who buy ur products pay high price.. to compensate those price those people have to earn high salary.. to give high salary to employees than normal level.. ur country’s central bank must have printed more money… and as result of that ur country must be under heavy bubble and currency is or about to tank drastically.. if I were u I would be terrified for my live savings
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av2706 t1_isjbhvv wrote
So in those country they are struggling for 100s of years.. no innovation nothing.. btw it was diffrent for uk back then during Industrial Revolution.. they were pro capitalist laisse faire economy which help them lead in Industrial Revolution but then politics and cheap vote made them all sluggish and yet here we are seeing a great country dying
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av2706 t1_isjbp03 wrote
And non union salary isn’t deflated because market pays them.. again I said u is free market that decide without partiality between race gender age religion ur skill ur talent ur occupation ur industry gives u ur salary
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av2706 t1_isjdlz0 wrote
But who is so genius that knows what their talent is worth ?? Are they send from god or sone messiah came to them to say hey Man U shoukd be paid 1.23 usd more than u are getting … who is that guy who knows this tell me??? If product is worth 6 usd then is it advisable for company to spend 5.5 usd on wages alone?? Becuse trade unions will come and open mouth and demand unrealistic salary which will make price of that good to 8 usd from 6 so will that company survive ?? Rest all are selling at 6 or maybe 7 usd but 8?? Just because it’s unionise company people won’t buy from it out of morality u know??
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